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Electric Spark vs. Arc

03/18/2010 11:53 PM

Would like know the difference between electric spark and arc.

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Re: Electric spark and arc.

03/19/2010 12:26 AM

No difference really, except maybe for some connotations about size and duration.

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Re: Electric Spark vs. Arc

03/19/2010 11:04 PM

Electrons will jump an air gap whenever there is enough potential (voltage) for them to leave one conductor and move to the other.

25,000 volts is enough to jump 1" in dry air.

Photons (arc light) are generated when the electrons break free from their valance shell.

Physicists feel free to jump in here, potential or otherwise.

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03/19/2010 11:42 PM

Actually the voltage required to spark across a 1" gap between round surfaces (such as spheres) is 75,000 volts/inch. This was often seen in movies about Frankenstein's Monster.

One of the few things I still remember from Physics Lab in college

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03/19/2010 11:26 PM

A spark (or spark breakdown) is a brief event where an insulating medium (often air) is electrically stressed sufficiently to cause it to break down. Once this occurs, a conducting filamentary region of the insulating medium changes into a low impedance conductor. This event is usually accompanied by a sharp click or bang, since the mechanisms associated with the formation of the spark also creates a shockwave in the surrounding medium.

Once spark breakdown occurs, the voltage across the gap plummets, and current surges through the spark discharge. If the surrounding circuitry has a limited amount of stored energy (such as a charged capacitor), the spark is quickly extinguished afterwards. However, if the power supply can continuosuly supply sufficient current, the spark rapidly evolves into an arc and current continues to flow. The diameter of the arc channel is a complex function of the available current and maximum arc length scales roughly with available supply voltage. A spark is a transient event. An arc is a longer duration event that can often be treated as being in local thermal equillibrium (LTE). Note that you can also create an arc using a lower voltage source (typically 10's of volts) by briefly touching one electrode to the other and then separating them to form an arc, as in arc welding.

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03/19/2010 11:50 PM

Spark: sudden, one time - if more: sparks - Intermittent character, Arc is a more sustained form - re: arc welding, and more articulate: the carbon arc light, a continuous arc, that provided the light for movies.

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Re: Electric Spark vs. Arc

03/20/2010 10:28 AM

So lightening is a spark?

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03/20/2010 11:03 AM

Yes. A very BIG spark, but indeed a spark.

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03/20/2010 1:32 PM

As far as I know spark and arc are plasma. An spark requires high voltage and usually low current, for example the spark on a spark plug of a combustion motor. On the other hand an arc has low voltage and high current, for example the process of arc welding (20 volts and 180 A).

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03/20/2010 11:31 PM

I would say BertHickman has it just about right.

A Spark is generally thought of as a momentary event. Yes, like lightening. Or the spark you get when you slide across the plastic car seat and touch the door. Or the spark you may get when you plug an appliance in that is turned on.

An Arc is a continuous event. Like welding, arc lamps - projection or old spot lights. And arc can also be a very bad thing - as Bert pointed out, once the arc is established - it is a low resistance with max current. I have had the "pleasure??" of seeing two wall outlets arc internally and blow all the brass out of them. Although this did not last more than a few seconds, it would still be called an arc, as the outlets vaporized the brass and created that low current arc that lasted long enough to clean the brass out of the receptacles.

In the case of the receptacles, metal is vaporized. In the case of the Jacob's Ladder, air is Ionized, heated - and rises - leading the arc up the wires.

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03/21/2010 8:44 PM

Spark timing is not a good parameter to define spark. Using a high frecuency and voltage power supply (from an old tv set) I have mantained an spark for around ten seconds or more.

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03/21/2010 9:19 PM

Just did a very unusual thing for a poster on the CR4 forums, I looked it up in the dictionary! A very short explanation of the differences between a spark and an arc according to THE MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY is:

spark: a short bright flash of electricity between two points

arc: a sustained luminous discharge of electricity (as between two electrodes)

Maybe in our quest for extensive technically accurate answers we forget to go to the basics and to "Keep it simple, Stupid!"

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