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Motor Terminals - Start and End Points

03/24/2010 1:39 PM

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How to find motor 6 terminal start and end point for 3 phases? the problem wat i m facing is, i have i motor without name plate n without terminal plate.....so i get 6 wires with sleeve n now i wan to take Amp n RPM from it but for that i 1st differenciate starting n endind point of coil, n if i will not get appropriate than when i connect it, it will burn so how can i make differenciate.....i know how to get a 2 terminal of single coil,it will be done by continuty test but than how can i say this 1 is starting point n this one ending ponit......pls help me if u know any trick for it to find out................

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Re: Motor Terminals - Start and End Points

03/24/2010 5:42 PM

Look closely at the wires to see if they have numbers imprinted onto them, which would then conform to a standard diagram. Or are they perhaps colored?

I suspect there may be a way to connect a DC battery to each set of windings and use a magnet to check that all field directions are the same. Or you might be able see where each wire enters the stator, and connect them symetrically.

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Re: Motor Terminals - Start and End Points

03/25/2010 1:49 AM

you first find the winding ends using a continuity meter marking each winding end as "A" "AA", "B", "BB", "C" , "CC". use a 6 volt battery and a center zero galvanometer, connect the galvo to one pair and noting which ends are connected to the + and - of the meter, mark the winding ends as you have connected them to the meter.

Connect one of the other winding ends to one terminal of the battery and just touch the other end to the other terminal of the battery and note which way the needle of the meter moves, either to the left of the right, repeat until all the windings are done and with each test the meter needle moves in the same direction. This is called a "flick test" and if you leave the battery connected to the winding the meter will not move hence you only quickly touch the battery terminal with the winding end

you now have found the correct polarity of all three windings, so you should have three ends with a +, and three with -. Make your star point from the three + ends and connect the other three ends to your supply. As for RPM if you have a 2 pole motor and a 60Hz supply the RPM will be about 3500rpm, as for running current, very little with no load

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03/25/2010 6:01 AM

If it is a small motor, and it is a one speed motor, I think the easiest way is trail and error.

If you look at the possibilities, there are only 4 ways of connection.

  • 1ste possibility ........L1=U1.......L2=V1.......L3=W1........and........starpoint= U2=V2=W2..........good way
  • 2de possibility .........L1=U1.......L2=V2.......L3=W1........and........starpoint= U2=V1=W2..........wrong way
  • 3de possibility .........L1=U1.......L2=V1.......L3=W2........and........starpoint= U2=V2=W1..........wrong way
  • 4de possibility .........L1=U1.......L2=V2.......L3=W2........and........starpoint= U2=V1=W1..........wrong way

If the motor is running no load and the test takes only a small time, the motor will not be burned in this short time.

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03/25/2010 11:53 AM

tanx a lot for ur brife ans. have u ever go through this trick.........?

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03/25/2010 12:07 PM

First, it's not a trick and second it is the ONLY SAFE way to identify and phase the 3 windings of a 3 phase motor without risk of electrocution or damage to the motor, and Yes unfortunately I have had to do this many times.

You are very welcome to the answer.

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03/25/2010 6:31 AM

Dear friend,

i told you one of the simple way to find the polarity of the winding, first see the continudty and mark like U1,U2;V1,V2;W1,W2. and connect U2&V1 give 230V AC between U1 and V2 and mesure the voltage between W1 and W2. if we assumed polarity is correct due to transformer action the voltage will induce if not correct the voltage will not come.

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03/26/2010 8:14 PM

Sirs,

I have also learned from the answers, but I believe the assumption has been made that the motor is star (wye) connected. It may be a 6-lead motor with windings suitable for delta connection, depending on the input voltage. Since the star connection places a lower voltage across the windings, it is the correct one to use when first applying power to the motor. However, I believe that possibility of a delta connection should be remembered.

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