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Comparing Flow Rates of Faucets

03/28/2010 10:26 AM

How do I compare the flow rates of Roman tub faucets when one manufacturer lists 17 gpm at 45 psi and the other lists 4 gpm at 20 psi? Also, if I'm moving the location of lavatory sinks and faucets in a bathroom remodel, is it a good idea to install pex under the toe kick of the cabinets instead of removing the subfloor and moving the copper lines over, or will the flow rate decrease with the pex?

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Re: Comparing Flow Rates of Faucets

03/28/2010 11:30 AM

You should be able to plug the pressure values into this site and get some answers.

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03/28/2010 11:09 PM

The pipe flow site won't help you much.

To calculate what the flow rate would be if you increased the pressure on the second tap from 20psi to 45 psi we can make a couple of assumptions. One is that both taps are the same nominal diameter say 1/2inch (correct?)

The second is that the head loss factor, K is constant across a normal range of flows - a fairly safe assumption. A final assumption is that the exit velocity is about the same for the taps under comparable flows. This could be a bit iffy, but let's go anyway.

Use this equation:, with Q = flow rate, p =pressure

Q2 = sqrt(p2/p1 x Q1^2)

Where the subscripts 1 and 2 refer to the given and the desired situation respectively.

You will find from this that the second tap only flows at 6gpm at 45 psi, a lot less than your first one.

As to your second question you have me mystified: what are pex?? I guess what I would do is bend the copper pipe using a good pipe bender so that they go to where you want them. Two such bends will not introduce appreciable loss.

Hope this is clear enough?

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03/28/2010 11:50 PM

PEX is 'The Answer' to almost any re-plumbing job according to plumbing pro's I have asked. The PEX should be 3/8" to maintain flowing pressure. Do whichever is easiest as end results are equivalent--but protect the PEX from mechanical damage--do not leave it exposed to hits from mops. vacuums, shoes,etc.

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03/29/2010 1:18 AM

Still can't guess what a pex is. Surely if it is only 3/8" diameter it will introduce too much loss?

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03/29/2010 3:02 AM

GA to Frankston. Here is some info on PEX piping. To specifier, you may want to plumb in as large a diameter piping as possible. With PEX 1/2 inch is 3/8 id and 3/4 is 5/8 id. If you want the very high flows you will likely need something larger than these diameters from your city line or well inlet to the tap. It is not unusual to see housing with 1.25 inch copper headers (or larger) to various locations to minimize pressure drops.

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03/29/2010 3:39 AM

PEX stands for cross-linked polyethylene. Earlier versions of PE pipe/tube without the cross-linked structure tended to fail prematurely. The X improvement seems to have fixed this. PEX is now commonly used for under-pavement snow melting, hydronic heating, and domestic plumbing.

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Re: Comparing Flow Rates of Faucets

03/29/2010 10:13 AM

Obviously- if no special materials are in place, the calculation would be that the flow from the 4 gpm faucet would be 4 times square root of (45/20).

BUT- it is very likely that the 4 gpm faucet is flow limited by some type of variable restricter insert and will remain very close to 4 gpm at whatever pressure is applied.

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03/29/2010 5:56 PM

Thanks for all the great answers! I also called a p.e.x. manufacturer and was told that the diameter of the 1/2" p.e.x. shouldn't affect the water flow significantly, especially since we're only moving the sinks about a foot to the right. He also said that the velocity of the p.e.x. is higher that the copper lines, which helps. The main determinant of the flow is the valve in the faucet. Also, the Roman tub faucet with 17 g.p.m. @ 45 psi will fill the tub much faster than the 4 g.p.m. @ 20 psi.

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Re: Comparing Flow Rates of Faucets

04/06/2010 8:02 AM

Doesn't this depend upon the shape of the container the water is being delivered into and the position of the nozzle relative to it? After all, if the flowrate is too high and the shape not as desired, the water will leave the vessel and end up outside it....

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