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MCCB Ith & Ir Acronym Meaning

05/02/2010 9:16 AM

We are planning to replace our Chiller with bigger capacity.

The motor rating of old chiller is 375 kw whhle the new one is 570 kw, all at 380 volts, 3phase , 60 hz. The suppllier required us to a circuit breaker with minimum ampacity of 911 amps.

our existing Circuit Breaker is SACE ABB, Iu =1250, Ue =660 Volts, 3 poles. Their is a rating of Ith @ 45 deg C of 800 Amps maximum and Ir = 6300 max. My questions are:1. What is the Ith & Ir means. 2. Can i use ourold MCCB with the rating of 1250 Amps Iu?

Please all extert here help me.

My best regards to all.

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05/02/2010 2:42 PM

Ith is the thermal current rating of the breaker. The more the motor current exceeds this, the quicker the breaker will trip. I'm unsure of the other abbreviations, but they may represent the magnetic trip rating, which is nominally instantaneous.

If the motor requires 911 A, it is likely to trip this breaker either 1) right away if the starting current exceeds 6300 A, or 2) in a short time if the running current exceeds 800 A. So I don't think this combination will work.

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05/02/2010 2:59 PM

Thanks, but how about the Iu (1250 Amps) which i believed is the nominal current rating. Our MCCB rating Iu = 1250 Amps & Ue is 660 volts. then their is anothr rating which is Ith = 800 max @ 45 Deg C. any idea on this Sir?

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05/02/2010 4:15 PM

My idea on that is exactly as before. If the thermal rating Ith of 800 A is exceeded by the 911 A motor, the breaker will trip (sooner or later).

However, if the ambient temperature at the breaker is less than 45°C, the Ith will be somewhat higher. This may get you by, but it looks really borderline. Reduced-voltage and unloaded starting will also help.

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05/03/2010 5:16 AM

ASK ABB for their catalogue on MCCBs select yourself you will find all inputs required you could download the catalogue from ABB web site.

good luck

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05/03/2010 8:46 AM

thanks. this an old model MCCB from ABB. SACE SN1250 model. Installed last 1986 by the German Contractors here in KSA.

All I want to know is if could still use this MCCB. But i think the best solution now is to buy a new MCCB.

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Re: What is the Ith & Ir at MCCB stand for?

05/02/2010 7:01 PM

Extract form appendix K of standard IEC 60947 -2

Voltage

  • Ue = Rated operational voltage
  • Ui = Rated insulation voltage
  • Uimp = Rated impulse withstand voltage

Current

  • In = Rated current
  • Ith = Conventional free –air thermal current
  • Ithe = Conventional enclosed thermal current

Short -Circuit

  • Icm = Rated short circuit making capacity
  • Icu = Rated ultimate short circuit breaking capacity
  • Ics = Rated service short circuit breaking capacity
  • Icw = Rated short time withstand current

Trip unit

  • Ir = Adjustable overload setting current
  • 1.05xIr = Conventional non –tripping current
  • 1.30xIr = Conventional tripping current
  • Isd = Short time delay tripping setting current
  • Ii = Instantaneous tripping setting current
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06/14/2018 3:20 PM

I have Schneider 800A mccb how to set 800a to 400a???

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08/22/2024 7:20 AM
  • Start with the instruction manual that came with it, and a mk.1 eyeball with which to read it.
  • If that fails, get on the 'phone to <...Schneider...> and ask.
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