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Ampere Reading Difference of VFD Incoming and Outgoing

06/05/2010 7:23 AM

A motor is runs with VFD - Why the ampere readings for incoming and out going power supply is reading different, which one is correct? – I believe the readings on the incoming power to the VFD

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Re: Ampere reading difference of VFD incoming and outgoing.

06/05/2010 7:28 AM

What are some typical values you've observed?

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06/05/2010 9:48 AM

15kw motor is reading 18A in the incoming and 24A in the VFD out which one is correct, some body told me out readings are incorrect due to the RMS values will be varied

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06/06/2010 3:08 AM

Incoming of VFD? The configuration should be VFD followed by motor .The input power should be always higher.So logically the current on the incoming of VFD should be high unless we have something that adds power .there is something wrong.

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06/06/2010 4:05 AM

why do you have a question mark?....your VFDs has no incomer ?..

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06/06/2010 9:59 AM

is t u have who have stated the problem?Because both are guest who do not want to reveal their identity.Pl. read the problem again and again then you are likely to understand why there is a ?other comment of yours is irrelevent.

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Re: Ampere reading difference of VFD incoming and outgoing.

06/05/2010 10:35 AM

The amperage readings for the input and output current are likely reasonably accurate. Most VFD supplies are fairly efficient modules. So the input current will be in phase with the voltage and thus you can do a quick mental power calculation with the known power voltage. In contrast the current running through any motor is a sum of the power generated to drive the motor and the power created by the back EMF.

Now I've mixed units here a little, because current is not a unit of power. But power and not current must be conserved. But electric power is a function of current, voltage and the phase angle between the two.

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Re: Ampere Reading Difference of VFD Incoming and Outgoing

06/05/2010 5:45 PM

Unless you have some very sophisticated (and expensive) metering equipment with specialized filtering, most commercially available meters cannot accurately interpret the output current of a VFD, and many cannot accurately interpret the input current either. The output current is a PWM signal of rapidly switching DC pulses, the input current is very rich in harmonic currents.

The best way to get reasonable motor current values for motors running from VFDs is to read it from the VFD itself, which inherently includes the necessary hardware and software to calculate motor current.

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06/05/2010 8:34 PM

If this VFD runs from a single phase source, it's certain to cause a lot of distortion to the input side, regardless of how the output looks. A TRUE RMS voltmeter should get you a fairly reasonable reading (maybe +- 10%) at the input. The comments about about phase and pulse issues will make the output really tough. I'd do like they said and trust your VFDs values. If you could hook an Oscope to the in and out, you should get an idea of what everyone is saying. You'll be surprised at what a sign wave can end up looking like when you feed it to a VFD or other switching load.

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06/06/2010 1:14 AM

In our country we do not use single phase for anyload above 3KW.

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06/06/2010 11:17 AM

As other responses have indicated, the waveform differences between I and O is the likely reason for unexpected current values. Use a Digital Scope to acquire the two signals, and use its RMS measurement tool to get the true RMS values (a DSO uses square root of the sum-of-the-squares to calculate RMS).

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06/06/2010 1:35 PM

You should compare the power input with the power output on these devices:

1) The VFD input voltage, whether 1 or 3 phase is not allways the same as the output voltage.

Let us take a 3phase input to the VFD and (surely) a 3 phase motor connected to it.

The output voltage to the motor will vary with the frequency variation, therefore the current will also vary. Therefore, you should compare power to power. Unless the output frequency is set to equal the input frequency (and some other parameters on the VFD...), the currents will vary as you mentioned.

All things being equal, the input power is allways higher than the outputed power due to losses in the VFD, therefore at the same Voltage and frequency, the output current should be less that the input current, otherwise you will have the relation opposite (Output A > Input A).

Therefore, Allways rely on the Measured Input Current to measure the consumed power, and rely on the output current measured at the VFD (or output), to keep the total current going through the motor within the motors rating...

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06/08/2010 10:46 AM

Outstanding answer LAA_Lucke!

VFD's maintain a constant volts per hertz ratio. Unless fin = fout, Vin # Vout.

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06/07/2010 4:56 AM

The difference between the input power and the output power is the power that is needed to operate the VFD circuits.

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06/07/2010 5:21 AM

Then current reading should be higher at the incoming side.(motor load + power needed to VFD circuits). Situation is reverse here..Guru!!

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06/07/2010 8:08 AM

Only looking at the current makes no sens. You have to look at the input and output power. As already stated,

  • The motor voltage will not always be the same as the input voltage of the frequency drive.
  • The motor current is not a sinusiodal signal, so you have to use special true rms value meters.
  • The input power is used to feed the motor AND to feed the internal capacitor in the frequency drive.
  • Finally power = I x U X sqrt (3) x Cos fi (cos fi from motor is not the same as cos fi for frequency drive)

It is the same as saying, these 2 boxes have the same dimensions, so they must have the same mass.... This makes no sens.

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06/07/2010 9:24 AM

there is something in the last point. VFD power factor will be higher than motor. natually current show less... Iam getting almost near to the end.

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Re: Ampere Reading Difference of VFD Incoming and Outgoing

06/02/2017 7:46 AM

You should have given details such as voltage, current,frequency in the incoming, and out going of vfd.

Generally the volts for VFD motors (of medium sized application) will be higher say 630 Volts, frequency will be constant say 0 to 300 Hz. where as the incoming supply the volts will be 420, frequency will be 50 or 60 Hz.

Hence there will be difference in the current value for incoming as well as out going in the vfd.

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