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Is There a Device to Make a Circuit Resonate?

06/11/2010 10:29 AM

I have been building a magnetic self powering device with about 6volts output. And during this project i have come across what are listed as general purpose inductors. Toroidal high current inductor and choke ferrite cores. Which are for taking out any resonating pulses.

But i cannot find anything that would put a resonating pulse into a circuit to help it self generate.

The only thing that i can think of as would possible do this is an ultra sonic vibration.

Does anyone have any ideas on this. Thank you all.

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Re: is there a device to make a circuit resonate.

06/11/2010 10:54 AM

Use revers osmoses / engineering / vibrator.

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06/11/2010 12:46 PM

tank circuit, RC circuit, google it

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06/11/2010 1:09 PM

Google "Electronic circuit theory tutorial"

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06/11/2010 4:29 PM

Energy can not be created or destroyed only transformed...I think it is a Law of Physics.

You will have loses somewhere friction / load etc.

You have to recover your losses so unless you know a new physics you are lost.

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06/11/2010 7:25 PM

"magnetic self powering device with about 6volts output"


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06/11/2010 8:25 PM

Can you please provide more information on what kind of device you are trying to build and how you intend to use it?

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06/11/2010 9:02 PM

Sounds like you've rediscovered parasitic power. This kind of capture of the stray electrostatic and magnetic fields can power only the tiniest of circuit devices. To my knowledge this always requires a resonant tank circuit (RLC) to work, usually with a very high Q. I suspect that you don't recognize the C in the circuit. As somebody else posted, do a Google search on resonant tank circuits.

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06/12/2010 12:56 AM

If you are trying to do what it looks like, then have fun, but it will all be to nought. All of the theory that you will involve yourself with is rock solid and has been for 100 years - the best you will be able to do is get it to be self sustaining if you operate at near absolute zero and use super conductors etc. etc.

In simple terms an inductor is something that tries to keep current constant by adding or subtracting a voltage developed from the collapsing or expanding magnetic field. i.e. the current tries to drop, the magnetic field tries (and does a little) drop, this induces a voltage in the direction of the current so that the current is maintained for a little longer - and for so long as the magnetic field is dropping. Its really an exchange of magnetic energy into the circuit driving forces that keeps things going. The key thing is that the next time you want to use that magnetic source of energy it has to be pumped in from somewhere.

The pumping in of magnetic energy always involves some sort of force or voltage and either movement or current, and there are always losses of some sort associated with this, so while the magnetic/voltage exchange might be perfect (and it is not because there are also things called iron losses that arise out of eddy currents in any iron core) a little bit more energy always has to be put back into getting the magnetic field back up than is actually stored by the magnetic field.

The bottom line is that there is not and never will be any self sustaining vibrating magnetic system that produces net energy - unless as one respondent says, "you invent a new physics". Now I won't say it's impossible, though it probably is, but you sure are not going to find the answer with coils of wire or permanent magnets and clever switches.

Unless you have some truly amazing, new and different idea - and there are hundreds who have trod the path bedore you - all you will gain is a good insight into how electricity works. This would be useful.

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06/12/2010 1:26 PM

It seems like you want to build a perpetual motion type of device utilizing its resonant frequency? If so, the first thing you need to consider is where you are now? If you are living in the academic world, then your idea is very much possible. But if you are here with us, in the real world then, you can forget about that idea!

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06/12/2010 2:51 PM

No, in the academic world perpetual motion machines are well known to be bogus.

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06/12/2010 4:00 PM

"No, in the academic world perpetual motion machines are well known to be bogus." 101% Exact, RedFred --- so far Only in theories and dreams that they can exist!

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Re: Is There a Device to Make a Circuit Resonate?

06/13/2010 5:28 PM

The only thing that i can think of as would possible do this is an ultra sonic vibration.

What caused you to rule out 4,342 Hz?

You might want to take up electric guitar, to experiment with resonant circuits and influencing frequency and amplitude by guitar vs speaker placement.

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Re: Is There a Device to Make a Circuit Resonate?

06/14/2010 2:43 AM

You need short term positive feedback and long term negative feedback:-

Or just negative feedback with hysteresis:-

Both diagrams above from http://www.fairchildsemi.com/an/AN/AN-118.pdf

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