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PTZ Camera Repair

06/12/2010 7:13 PM

My friend has dropped his $1000 PTZ from a height of 40 feet. I took it with me to check and eventually repair the damage.

The plastic dome was completely cracked and together with the moving camera and it support it took most of the shock.

I repaired the camera and the pivoting U shaped frame. Most of it was miniature body work. All the mini fans inside lost the propeller.

Took them out just for the test. The mechanics are back to work.

When I switch the power on it goes to the start procedure.

Camera up and down to the preset position. Next is to turn that whole set up to pick up a reference where it is. It keeps spinning around...

I noticed a detection element - a small black horse shoe element - that spins around and is attached to the printed circuit. Size is about 3/8 X 1/2 x 3/8 resp. the leg down- the bridge and the other leg down. It is supposed to correspond with a little metal strip. But I have no idea if the strip needs to pass the horse shoe. or make a bridge between the two legs with some gap between it. What is that detector thing and how does it work? Has someone an idea how to test it? A schematic is welcome too. Thanks for your input.

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Re: PTZ Camera Repair

06/12/2010 7:28 PM

You can see the black horse shoe shaped element and the metal strip that needs to

work with it. The horse shoe spins close to it, but the shape has been affected with the fall. How to work this?

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06/12/2010 7:58 PM

This looks like an optical tx/rx device. Bend the metal tab up so that it rotates through the horseshoe legs during pan. When the metal tab blocks the optical path between the horseshoe legs, the circuit should sense this as the "0" position.

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06/12/2010 8:45 PM

Thank you for your fast reply. I had a feeling in that direction, because of its black color and tried it before, without result.

Three possibilities I had overseen:

1. Maybe I didn't bend it enough and there was still enough spread light available,

2. my desk lamp fooled it.

3. It needs a dark environment.

I was a little bit afraid because that lip has not a lot of space due to the small diameter it rotates on.

Well, The first post is a hit. I did it and it works. Your beer is waiting. I need to wait now for the fans to have them replaced (found a set of 10 on ebay for $25). But I can proceed to see if the RS485 still works. That is definitely worth a good answer.

Thanks, D

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06/12/2010 9:35 PM

Glad it worked and thank you for the vote

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06/12/2010 9:54 PM

On one leg you cannot stand and the answer is worth to be noticed. One GA from me too

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06/12/2010 10:08 PM

Added a vote myself since according to the exchange a fix was affected among friends.

P.S. I don't know what a PTZ Camera is yet.

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06/12/2010 10:35 PM

Thanks and "Pan-Tilt-Zoom"

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06/12/2010 10:56 PM

This is what I knew as motion control when using cameras on rails with servos back in the late 80s.

It would appear from my quick read of the thunderstorm problem, that still to this day lighting is required for fully capable photography.

I suspect that the camera has limits and needs light of intensity and out of the correct direction to work when it has failed in the past events of thunderstorms, same as great cameras and motion control systems I worked with still needed lighting of the scene. P.S. I apologize that I cannot remember the names of the people involved in a motion control shoot I worked on in 1987. Was a Kroger Food Store Commercial, and a SuperBowl 3D halftime entertainment segment. I just pointed lights at stuff on that job. Truly I was really raw back then.

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06/12/2010 11:59 PM

I believe the thunderstorm issue is twofold.

1)The automatic-motion-tracking-alarm algorithms work well even in very low light conditions, but sudden scene changes (bright illumination from lightning flashes) tends to confuse the algorithms causing false alarms.

2)The electromagnetic interference from a near lightning strike may upset the electronics directly, also causing false alarms.

False alarm issues are the #1 bane of the security industry.

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06/13/2010 11:59 AM

Repair of this interesting camera is certainly beyond my education or experience. However I am intrigued by possibilities for fix of the thunderstorm failures. I wonder if the instantly darkening lenses of the newer welding masks might have application, and prevent "confusion", or freeze due to the lightning?

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06/14/2010 2:08 AM

The RS 485 is back to work. One broken (stretched wire) from the plug to the camera, probably just before the drop. Brings me to the next problem: everything works except the diafragm of the camera The image is dark. Took the camera apart. 3 micro motors. Just don't know yet which one is controlling the diaphragm.

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06/19/2010 1:09 AM

did you post any model & or part numbers?

pelco makes a large number of security cameras & was recently purchased/merged with schnieder electric

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06/19/2010 1:26 AM

That thing has 70 screws of 1.2mm - has a light metal frame in too many parts, and I have no time now (maybe I became a movie star overnight?)- I took it apart - ordered a Sony body camera 1.4 lens with 980 X zoom in China - $290 tax and S&H included - on my doorstep.

Needed some other material too.

I didn't know that Pelco was also a supplier - probably the protocols PELCO- D. PELCO-P and PELCO 1-8 have been introduced by them? Pelco-D is almost an international standard now for RS485 PTZ communication protocol.

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06/12/2010 11:00 PM

That brings us to the next question - same PTZ camera.[p]

For Transcendian - P = pan T = tilt Z = zoom. It is one of those dome cameras that you can see outside and this one could be directed that you easily could recognize a person between 10 meter and 2 kilometer. (960 X zoom)

Well: it does the preliminary job. The startup movements.[p]

Brings me to the RS 485 - the serial protocol (polarized) over 2 wires.

The camera is N0 1 - dip switches accordingly

Protocol Pelco-D Baud rate 2400 Position 4.

No reaction noted. Tried to switch RX/TX reset..

Here how it looks like naked. The movements are all done with stepper motors and I notice a resistance after the initiation (step lock) that dissappears after disconnecting the 24 volts AC power.

If someone knows a fix all suggestions are highly appreciated.

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06/12/2010 11:42 PM

I'm sorry I can't help with communications interface.

Stepper motors will tend to "hold" a fixed position with power applied and will "loosen up" when drive power is removed. Is this what you are describing?

Because this camera sustained a significant impact, I would examine the board and components carefully for broken traces or "popped" solder joints. You may still need some additional hardware repair.

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06/13/2010 12:14 AM

Exactly. This phenomena I know. I noticed that the pan stop is exactly in the horse shoe.

Maybe it needs to pass there? Too much shade? Maybe wrong response time? I'm just trying some logic ideas. I'll try the RS 485 on a different similar camera tomorrow. I have no digital measuring device for pulse trains, otherwise I could check the transmission. The zoom function of the camera I cannot activate either. Maybe one talks to another? The board doesn't look stressed but I'll use some magnifier glass. Thanks again. D

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06/13/2010 11:23 PM

inspect the circuit board for a hairline crack that prevents proper operation of the position sensor. This will require a bright light and a hand lens.

If the crack is found, scrape to bare copper and solder a small wire bridge across it. This takes a person with a small iron and experience.

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06/14/2010 12:02 AM

A bridge using electrically conductive Silver loaded two part epoxy adhesive which has conductive properties of pure silver and applied cold may be preferable being a cold process and simplicity of application.

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