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Need Help With Motor Selection

06/30/2010 2:12 PM

I'm a ME major at UCF and I could use some advice on selecting the right motor for a senior design project. For simplicity we would like a AC reversible motor able to run off of 120vac. The motor needs to have at least 20in-lbs torque but the kicker is we need it to run between 200-350 rpms which is a tricky rpm range. I know ill need a geared motor to achieve such low rpms, and more preferably right angle gear to stop backdrive as this motor will be lifting a load vertically on a screw drive. I have had alot of trouble finding a motor to fit these specs within our small price range. We would like to spend less then 200$. I don't know too much about DC motors but would i be better off finding a DC motor capable of this and also getting a rectifier? would i need anything else? any help would be much appreciated.

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06/30/2010 2:31 PM

I don't have answers for you but you will often get better responses from CR4 if you register. We have a lot of mixed experiences with people named "Guest".

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06/30/2010 3:16 PM

Wouldn't a ceiling fan motor fall into this range? I haven't checked any spec's, but they run off 110 VAC, probably can spin at 240 rpms, and are reversible. Don't know the torque req's, but 20 in-lbs doesn't seem very high so they might meet that range. You can get one at your local big box diy store for under $200.

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06/30/2010 6:12 PM

There are plenty of power drills that will do what you want. Variable speed, reversing, and a chuck to connect to your screw drive. Set up a c-clamp or a hose clamp to fine adjust the speed. If you find it back-driving, a simple friction brake can be added.

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06/30/2010 6:46 PM

Also check out Parvalux.

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07/01/2010 4:39 AM

Theoraticaly the DC motor is considered as ideal for changing speeds however it is usually neglected that torque is not the same at all the speeds and condition for maximum power (gross mechanical power) is when back emf is equal to half the applied voltage.

Further you will need to convert AC to DC and since you seem to directly couple the motor to the load, the size and rating of the D.C motor will be large.

Your need is somewhat consistant speed under budgetory constraints, A.C. motor is more readily available at an affordable price (even you can buy used one).

Since your are having mechanical background I suggest DIY - set of different dia pulleys coupled by means of steel chain coupling (like in a bicycle) to achieve desired speed, plus you have the advantage that as the speed is reduced you will need a smaller A.C. motor proportionately.

Formulas for the above calculations are the same as you would have used if a mechanical drive would have existed in place of electric motor.

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07/01/2010 9:05 AM

Try a brushless DC motor and ESC for RC cars. They will do everything you want and can be had for $100.

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07/01/2010 9:11 AM

Not in Zimbabwe, they can't!

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07/01/2010 1:21 PM

Front load washing machines use about 10:1 spin to wash speed ratio. For multiple spin speeds brush type motors are standard. However squirrel cage motors with ten pole (wash) windings were common, particularly European models.They meet your spec if a shade large. The control panel will also have the speed and reversing gear.

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07/02/2010 3:46 AM

For your cencern regarding "backdrive" a very commomon foolproof application I have seen at costruction sites is to use a grooved wheel alongwith a sturdy hinged metal flap arranged so that when the wheel is turning in the right direction the flap just slides across, on reversal of the wheel the flap engages to lock the turning of the wheel.

A hand operated lever brake system is used to lower the weight cautiously (Now the locking flap is disengaged manually).

Also please do not undermine the AC motor, my experience with spillway gates of mega dams which weigh several tons are powered by AC motors of just few KW rating (since the gates slide upword a few inches per minute).

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