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What is the Speed of Dark?

07/15/2010 10:02 PM

I have used, as my "signature" on my CR4 user profile, a very old and very tired, but still very funny (at least to myselves), one of the observational comedian genius Steven Wright's monotone one liners that doesn't relate to anyone's train of thought at any one given time during his diatribe.

The mantra goes;

".........okay..................................so what's the speed of dark?" - Steven Wright

And then we laughed, and we laughed, and we laughed, and then we laughed some more.

Then we stopped laughing.

As I have more time on my hands lately (perhaps too much time) due to being laid off past January, from what I thought was a great job that would carry me towards retirement, but, alas nothing in life is guaranteed forever; I pose to CR4 the following:

".........okay..................................so what's the speed of dark?" - Steven Wright

So with some extra time on my unemployed hands, I'm asking if anyone thinks that the "speed of dark" = 0 mph or 0 kph for all it matters, as opposed to what I was learned good is that the "speed of light" approaches somewhere around 186,000 mph.

Please correct me if I am not up to speed on the speed of light!

When I first heard Steven's joke too many years & too many tears ago, it struck me as a really profound reflection on what I've learned of Einstein's example of an observer on a plane, or train, or automobile ("Planes,Trains and Automobiles"sic) travelling at the speed of light looking at a flashlight beam on the back of the train, or even in a passing field; would he or she notice the light beam?

Just another useless thought to ponder with my unemployed (for the time being - it's summer after all - might as well enjoy the good weather for a change) brain.

If anyone wishes to put forward a reply or any ideas regarding this posting, please keep it in a theoretical frame of reference (black holes, dark matter, quarks, unifying theory of everything, photons, stringy things, as well as all that "*uon" stuff that's being bombarding us since the B.B.)

Not too many formulae please, as I was never really good at math, which may partly explain why I'm now a happily unemployed, or perhaps, more correctly, an underemployed industrial electrician. - Loupy

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07/30/2010 6:10 AM

Well written.

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07/30/2010 7:24 PM

Exactly.

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07/30/2010 9:19 PM

Guys - as your comments are not reflecting in the score;

Read the "backwards ingrish" that occurs when 'original vote was 'off topic'.

It is opposite in 'perception' to if the 'original vote was GA'

So far;

2 have 'disagreed it was a crap comment' = 'good answer'

7 have 'agreed it was a crap comment'. = 'off topic'

By the comments it should be better than 5 off topic by now, possibly a full GA.

As this is a universal problem with 'votes' so the 'value of a GA' -

I'm putting it 'on topic'

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07/17/2010 6:57 PM

Well, I have been in the dark so many times that I can confirm it exists. Then, when I see the light, time, speed is not of no issue. Just to stay enlightened needs a force not comprehensible to most and only a few will be able to jump their own shadow, the diluted form of darkness. If it can be diluted it exists, at what speed is irrelevant.

Measuring anything is like trying to find zero, it's a waste of time, Ky.

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07/17/2010 8:17 PM

The speed of dark would seem to be faster than the speed of light since it was there first.

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07/17/2010 8:36 PM

"First there was light"

It was about 6000 years ago. Ask Sarah and others, they will confirm this fact.

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07/18/2010 2:08 AM

This subject also arose in a forum in August 2007, it was afaily lengthy discussion involving many of those learned ones whom we do not hear from today.

It is well worth looking at.

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07/19/2010 8:54 AM

Whereas light is made (by God if not something or 'one' way-way up there in the food chain) & has mass & can be manipulated by gravitational forces it was natural to assume it had to get somewhere from where ever & was/is therefore not everywhere at any given point (in time). So what is/was there before light arrived was the 'void'. The Bible may not be everyone's cup of tea but taken as a anthropological & cosmological record has been shown to carry some merit. The 'void' had to be overcome by a tremendous amount of energy (duh) which is still being demonstrated by the discovery that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate of speed - still overcoming this 'dark'. (WOW!) So this is all to say that 'dark' is another term for 'void' & the void was in place before there was light. The dark has no speed. Carlos

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07/19/2010 5:58 PM

After a day's worth of coffee and cheese crackers, I have come to the conclusion that dark is the canvas on which light is painted onto.

The dark does not move at all and appears and disappears as the light is removed or added.

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07/20/2010 12:17 PM

Really rather trivial... the same as the answer to the question, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"

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07/21/2010 9:09 AM

Since darkness is displaced by the short band of the light spectrum we see, what about the rest of the spectrum?

How can darkness be moving if its position has not changed for perceivers of other wavelengths?

Does this mean there are many wavelength of darkness? Can darkness be measured in wavelengths?

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07/21/2010 9:59 AM

No

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07/21/2010 12:52 PM

Like I said, it could be compared to trying to approach zero. A whiter shade of pale? Yep, something like that.

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07/21/2010 12:51 PM

Thanx to all who have responded.

It's been an interesting read, as well as an "enlightenment" of Einstein's example of an observer on a train, travelling at the speed of light looking at a flashlight beam on the back of the train, or even in a passing field; would he or she notice the light beam?

I must refer, however to:

The light source producing photonic energy (in whatever form or function) was already existing at the back (or front) of the faster than light train, or even in a passing field.

IT WAS ALREADY THERE!

The light was already existing and affecting, with it's photon energy particals (or packets, if you will), any other partical it may have encountered on it's way from it's "source" travelling presumably @ the speed of light

So, where did the light go, if the observer, (travelling faster than speed of light), was existing, and the light source was existing, (presumably at the same time)?

Does it keep travelling in a "straight line tragectory" in curved space, or get dispersed as the photons are absorbed, reflected, and generally bounced around on it's way?

Will it finally catch up to him or her if the train slows down to the speed of light, (186,282 mps, [thanx, lynlynch]), or comes to a stop?

Perhaps this is why we measure distant star galaxie cluster observations in light years. (I haven't heard of dark years yet)

The "dark factor" only fills in the gap between these observations of the light that eventually reaches us, whether here on this rock, or a satellite or Hubble Space Obs.

P.S. More questions than answers. Doh!

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07/24/2010 5:10 AM

Very interesting;

But;

Absolute zero is absolute absence of energy - not just a number in terms of temperature - but a total energy zero.

Or 'dark' only exists in the vacuum* in the forefront of the light of the expanding universe.

(*presumably not occupied by anti-matter).

So ultimately the speed of dark is only measurable 'out there', and by being there, it isn't.

So basically, it's faster than perception.

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