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What is Per Definition HOMEWORK of CR4 Users?

07/16/2010 12:47 AM

We all know what CR4 users are.

From where should they work to get answers?

And how is one question "stamped" as homework

and a different one not?

It is very simple to say this is homework for a student, but shouldn't we try to ask questions to find out, before categorizing?

If this forum wants to reach to international users, we all should understand that there are more native tongues, and English language knowledge is not the same for everyone?

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07/16/2010 9:05 AM

From what I see, most people that post are looking for help for a specific problem, which they go on to describe, (or should). Questions that are purely academic, seem a little suspect, although, I've seen no evidence that CR4 members can't ask further questions to determine if the post is homework or not.

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07/16/2010 2:30 PM

When there are clues in the post such as

"HAVE A QUESTION ON A AN EXAM PAPER

DESCRIBE Pi AS A FRACTION AND A DECIMAL"

it's pretty obvious that our particpation is helping the student avoid work. rather than help them.

Some times a homework question can be so worded as to not seem "homework" and usually when osomeone is facing a practical problem they bring details that help us understand what is up.

But when someone just squawks like a baby bird "feed me an answer" usually someone will hit the hoemwork gong.

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07/16/2010 11:34 PM

Is this a homework question?

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07/17/2010 9:34 AM

Yes, it's for a psychology class.

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07/16/2010 11:39 PM

There is a fundamental difference between problems one encounters in the real world, and those that one encounters in the classroom. One of the differences I have noted personally is that classroom problems are generally over-simplified. One can also pretty much tell by how the problem is stated. I have no problem with HELPING with homework, but I definitely have a problem with posting the answer to the question.

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07/16/2010 11:49 PM

In Arabic, there is a wisdom says: "The asker has the right even he comes riding his horse".

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07/17/2010 12:46 PM

Hi Abdel,

Today I am not playing with the whole deck of cards, so I need a bit of help in understanding the meaning of: "The asker has the right even he comes riding his horse".

Thank you.

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07/17/2010 2:13 PM

my intuitive language chip (non-Intel) suggests to me the following solution:

"The asker has the right even if he comes riding his horse".

and I interpret that to me mean that riding his horse might be construed as extenuating, unconventional, or perhaps rude.

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07/17/2010 1:09 AM

Homework is a submittal by a student in a learning institution, where the information being handed in, are being presented to that teacher/professor as the result of proper research, analysis, and summarization by the student, whereas in truth, it is knowledge given by experienced engineering practitioners here at CR4. It closely approaches plagiarism without proper citation and referencing.

The main objection to this is that the student does not learn how to study, evaluate, and synthesize knowledge, but only how to shortcut. The other objection is that the site exists for real problem solving, and discussion of issues relating to the concerns of engineering oriented topics.

Regardless of what language you speak, or what your area of study, the skills involved in learning, and practicing engineering and science are similar, and the detractors to disciplined and holistic education are somewhat universal.

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07/17/2010 9:37 AM

This site also exists to channel humor and insults ;-)

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07/19/2010 2:28 PM

the humor aspect is crucial for ongoing attraction of great minds... the insults.. as long as they are humorous.

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07/17/2010 1:12 AM

Thank you all for your well appreciated explanations.

This is a fair enough standpoint.

I submitted this post to highlight the fact that many posters here do not get the benefit of the doubt.

They get banned on suspicion and Punished for a "possible" or "zero tolerance" intention to bring their class home work to this forum.

While most of us could channel the post in something that makes this forum more valuable.

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07/19/2010 2:23 AM

Dont be put off by some comments, we've seen gurus come back with the homework slant, even when a lot of posters do answer intelligently. This has led a number of us "non gurus" to believe they label it homework when thay dont know the answers.(instead of just staying off the post, but then your post count dont add up) Maybe we are not as intelligent as CHris.. to recognise plagiarism and whatever else he was explaining to you. Best approach here is to ignore those that post "nothing" and look for your answer amongst those posters that do want to help.

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07/19/2010 3:27 AM

I admit it is not exactly black and white.

I do prefer to know that a student is a student, and I still help. (example)(example)

and especially here (#76)

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07/19/2010 4:27 AM

I still agree with most of what you said Chris.., and the gist of my post is to help all. It sometimes (most times) refreshes your own memory and helps to improve your, and other posters, mind. The problem is with posters that don't know the subject anyway, and just waste time by posting drivel, to gain post count. By the way, great post #76.

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07/19/2010 9:43 AM

It sometimes (most times) refreshes your own memory and helps to improve your,

I agree with you 100%

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07/19/2010 2:17 PM

thank you. it was fun.

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07/17/2010 10:54 AM

If it smells like homework and looks like homework, then it is homework, especially if the poster is a "Guest". Sometimes I give the poster the benefit of the doubt. I leave the burden of proof up to the poster to convince me it is not homework. Sometimes the way a question is worded is a clue. Someone who uses "text message" wording signals a younger person and a lot of typographical errors raises a red flag. Actually I'm more inclined to help a foreign person with his question for he may not be in a position to get good answers in his own country. American homeworkers tend to stick out like a sore thumb.

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07/17/2010 12:38 PM

Actually I'm more inclined to help a foreign person - like a person from Canada or New York perhaps .

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07/17/2010 7:00 PM

These so called HOMEWORK of CR4 Users are one off problems, or what ifs. and not, I have to get this because I flunking _____________ course.

problem is you can over analyse something until its unrecognizable, then question is it worth categorizing.

When a CR4 member is having problems or a question. no matter what history, discussion or argument there were in the past. I believes each member enjoys helping.

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07/17/2010 11:26 PM

Maybe CR4 should consider a "homework" section.

Then those who want to help students can and other can just not post there.

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