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08/13/2010 4:42 PM

This is one of the 36 sculptures my non-profit corporation maintains. (It's not mine, I work here)

He was recently knocked over. Yes, Humpty had a great fall. We are getting ready to re-install him, but I have a problem. The artist used some weird type of rod/nut combination I've never seen.

The rod looks much like ball screw stock. But it's not that well finished. It's not all-thread/threaded rod or stud stock because it has a course convex thread that I have never seen. It's about 1/4" to 3/8" dia. rod and somewhere around 6-8 TPI.

I don't have any stock nor nuts. The nuts are with the piece, in transit. The rod was discarded.

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#1

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08/13/2010 4:47 PM

Hey lynlynch could it be acme threads. The thread would have flats

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08/13/2010 4:57 PM

No cigar. But thanks. The bottom of the thread is hemispherical and looks like it would accommodate 1/8 or so ball bearings nicely, but is not finished the same as ball screw or lead screw stock. The major diameter or peak of the thread is left rough. Thread pitch is much coarser than the lead screw you have pictured also.

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08/13/2010 5:46 PM

OK, this is hugely out of scale and not well drawn, but bears some resemblence to the rod in question. Major dia about 3/8".

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08/13/2010 6:00 PM

Could it be this!

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08/13/2010 6:31 PM

You get the prize!

That looks just like it and the usage as a concrete fastener makes sense because it was installed the last time by the guy who made the concrete bases for many of the pieces. He may have had the matching nuts brazed on by someone.

Thanks to farmatt for the great pictures, but it's definitely coil threaded bar stock.

Thanks to ozzb for your contribution, too. And Holzfeller, yes it is worthy of Cadillac parts.

BruceFlorida I'll remind him about the five bucks when he gets back on the wall.

Thanks guys!

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08/13/2010 7:27 PM

Your drawing and the ball screw nomenclature triggered my memory as my father used coil threaded rod for an anchoring system for a project to secure some Fiberglass charactures in a children's park. Sorry to hear someone knocked him down...poor guy's fallen once already. Four of those should hold it down nice and tight. Can you get a galvanized steel plate 4 X 6 inch's inside with four equally spaced holes drilled thru , lock washers and nuts on top...that is how we secured ours and there still there today. Anyway good luck Lynlynch...your heart is in a good place...wish you the best!

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08/13/2010 7:37 PM

We have room for a plate larger than 4x6 and very likely will use this approach since it will distribute the load inside better than the present set-up.

At least now, when I go the the nut and bolt place I'll know what to ask for.

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08/13/2010 6:05 PM

Looks like it might come from something like a ball & nut type steering gear, but I'm not that familiar with them, so probably wrong. But if so, the sculpture is probably worthy of Cadillac parts.

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08/13/2010 5:39 PM

I used to work with that guy. I was wondering what happened to him. He still owes me five bucks.

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08/13/2010 6:07 PM

Something like this?

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08/13/2010 6:20 PM

A better pic click on it for the link

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08/13/2010 8:16 PM

So, did all the king's horses and all the king's men finally manage to put Humpty Dumpty back together again?

By the way, how can ANY horse put anything back together again when they have no hands, only hooves?

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08/13/2010 10:17 PM

The Kings horses and men were just pomp and circumstance and never really helped Humpty recover from the fall.

Now, they have been deported since they were here illegally and had no resident status.

ICE has notified us that since Humpty was conceived in England, and was never issued a green card, he may not be able to stay in this country either. No visible means of support you know. So we'll have to see how this goes.

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08/14/2010 12:26 AM

What do you mean - no visible means of support?

He is sitting on the wall - no?

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08/14/2010 12:32 AM

At the moment, he is NOT on the wall. He is on his back in a trailer. Didn't you read the first part?

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08/14/2010 12:38 AM

That is apparently not Humpty's fault - He was depending on that wall.

please hurry to get him back in the wall or else he will need counseling to get over the traumatic event. Can you imagine the expense of counseling an egg with broken heart?

It could give rise to an entire new line of work for shrinks.

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08/14/2010 12:52 AM

Oh please, what are you? An egg hugger?

Eggs are reaping an entire, unjustified sympathetic wave of support because of the likes of you who obviously coddle these ne'er-do-well crackers.

I say scramble 'em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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08/14/2010 1:06 AM

Poor eggs! What they have to suffer through - cracked, scrambled, blended, boiled, frozen, powdered - what nasty things people do to them! Oh poor eggs!!!!!!!

Speaking of which - tomorrow is egg day - every Sunday we have eggs for breakfast but I will ask my wife to crack them quickly so they don't suffer!

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08/14/2010 6:06 AM

I think someone should rename PETA to People against Unethical Treatment of Anything - PUTA for short.

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08/14/2010 6:36 AM

So, was Humpty Dumpty a good egg or bad egg?

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08/14/2010 7:33 AM

A good egg until the accident and then he became eggnog.

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08/14/2010 11:11 AM

I believe the original Humpty Dumpty was a cannon and he did fall off a wall and broke, cast iron most likely. Some other theories on this link http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/9/messages/322.html

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08/14/2010 10:59 AM

Not to mention the fact that the only girls with whom they will ever get laid or who would sit on their faces are their own mothers.......

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08/14/2010 10:41 AM

What's next in this saga, are Jack and Jill going to have a great spill?

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08/14/2010 10:46 AM

No Jack n Jill, but, these two were with us for 6 months.

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08/14/2010 1:32 AM

Just remembered that the fan speed adjustment on my dads Clipper 29D seed cleaner was the same rod as you described from memory, I think it was about the same size. you might check a used farm equipment junk yard for a replacement rod and nut.

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08/14/2010 1:36 AM

That name rings a bell! Clipper seed cleaners - haven't seen one for maybe 50 years but I remember well spending many hours working one.

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08/14/2010 10:25 AM

We have no farm equipment junk yards here in AZ. But, I am going to the heart of farmland next week when I go to SW Minn. There's a farm implement company (complete with junk yard) about 100 yards from my place there. Maybe I'll just walk over and take a look.

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08/16/2010 1:22 PM

I now have 12 feet of coil threaded bar. I thank you. Humpty thanks you, where the stroy came from.

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