Previous in Forum: High Precision Flow Meter   Next in Forum: Regular Bbore & Full Bore Ball Valves
Close
Close
Close
22 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Anonymous Poster

Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 1:44 AM

I need information regarding the working pressure of compressor. Our company installed a 30HP powered air compressor with 1000 litres air reservoir, which the firm mentioned at their name plate the working pressure 7Kg/cm2, but while we use this compressor to the pneumatic reamer the pressure gauge of the air reservoir shows 4Kg/cm2. is it correct, our officers argued that while working the pressure gauge should show 7Kg/cm2. Is is correct or not. please give me the correct details.

By.Boobalan, Trichy.

Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Associate

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: INDIA
Posts: 27
Good Answers: 1
#1

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 2:31 AM

YES THE PRESSURE GAUGE AT LOAD SHOULD ALSO READ 7KG/CM2 ON THE AIR RECEIVER,IT CAN SLIGHTLY DROP TO 6.6KG/CM2 BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT 4KG/CM2.

WHEN YOU ARE APPLYING LOAD THE PRESSURE IN THE RECEIVER IS DROPPING AND YOUR COMPRESSOR SHOULD START BUILD TO UP AND MAINTAIN THE RATED PRESSURE.

THE REASON MAY BE

1.RATING OF THE COMPRESSOR IS INADEQUATE AS PER THE LOAD.

2.THE COMPRESSOR MAY BE NOT DELIVERING THE PROPER OUTPUT AT RATED PRESSURE.

__________________
S BHATTACHARYA
Reply Off Topic (Score 4)
Power-User

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: The cigarette-stained drunkard living in the cardboard box outside Marks & Sparks delivery entrance, Eastgate Shopping Centre, Basildon.
Posts: 487
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 2:50 AM

Oi! Keep the noise down! Some of us are trying to get some kip! <Cough, splutter, wheeze.>

__________________
Essex jobs for Essex yobs! <Burp>.
Reply Score 1 for Off Topic
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#3

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 2:55 AM

Either the compressor, or the pipe connecting it to the air reservoir, or both, is/are undersized for the duty.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 3:00 AM

We can probably narrow it down even further. If the pipe is too small, this would only aid in the pressure remaining high. Ergo, the compressor is too small. Alas, no data are given as to compressor cfm vs loads cfm....

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 3:14 AM

The original poster's pressure gauge is on the reciever, though.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Reply
Anonymous Poster
#6

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 3:24 AM

HI:

Please check with the air compressor book, what kind of gear did the manufacturer installed at the unit.

Possibly they had install the wrong gear between motor and compressor unit.

Good luck!

Isaac Raz

Reply Score 1 for Off Topic
Anonymous Poster
#9
In reply to #6

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 10:56 PM

Thanks you for the post.

Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.


__________________
Watch Takers Online Free

Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Hearts of Oak Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2005
Location: In the Garden
Posts: 3389
Good Answers: 75
#15
In reply to #9

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 7:13 AM

But you haven't joined - c'mon register and get a name so we say "hi" whichever forum we see you.

__________________
Chaos always wins because it's better organised.
Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
2
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#7

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 6:15 AM

I don't agree with some of the comments posted.

What air flow and pressure does the pneumatic reamer need? Is it working OK when the pressure gauge of the air reservoir shows 4kg/cm2? What are the compressor output flow and pressure?

If the reamer needs flow <= compressor output flow and pressure <= about 4kg/cm2(depending on pipe loss) there should be no problem.

Cheers......Codey

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hop around Toronto, New York & Karachi
Posts: 1876
Good Answers: 19
#8

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 10:38 PM

I agree with PWSlack. Your Compressor & pipelines undersized. What is the capacity of your 30 Hp compressors in LPM/CFM/m3/hr ? What are your total air load requirement in lpm/cpm/m3/hr ?

__________________
I not only use all the brains that I have, but all that I can borrow. Woodrow Wilson
Reply
Participant

Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3
#10

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 11:32 PM

First - Wheather the pneumatic reamer is working perfectly with 4Kg/cm2?.

If yes, nothing to worry about.

The pressure gauge may be re-calibrated. There are chances of it showing a wrong reading.

Name plate is saying working pressure as 7Kg/cm2. But nothing wrong in working at a lower pressure.

If No, then you have to increase the pressure. Check the rating of the compressor and whether it can meet the requirements.

Parthasarathi Dalai, Bhubaneswar

Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member India - Member - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: City of destiny, INDIA
Posts: 775
Good Answers: 67
#11

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/25/2010 11:42 PM

You have not given rated flow rate of your compressor and type of compressor you have. It must be available in same name plate. Working pressure is normally at rated flow rate and at the discharge flange of compressor. If you draw more air than its rated capacity, pressure is definetely going to drop. So please check how much air (in CFM or Nm3/hr) you are consuming against how much your compressor is rated for?

If you are consuming less flow rate than rated & still getting low pressure, further analysis may depend on type of compressor.

Reply
Participant

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2
#12

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 1:39 AM

working pressur mentioned on the reciver 7kg/cm2 is its working pressur, above that safty valve will blow. find out what what is the pressur & volum of air requried for working of reamer

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 198
Good Answers: 18
#13

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 2:25 AM

The most important piece of info you dont provide. What is the cfm requirement of the tool, and what is the cfm rating of the compressor? If the gauge drop so badly the working volume of the compressor is too small. Any compressor must be able to maintain the rated cfm of the tools.

__________________
Always learning
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Associate

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 53
Good Answers: 4
#14

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 3:40 AM

the answer to your question is "yes". Ideally, the gauge should show the plated working pressure when in use.

The gauge should show plated working pressure when there is no load (reamer and all other air operated equipment is not in use). When you do start using the equipment, eventually the pressure will begin to drop, but the compressor motor should start-up to get the pressure back up to working pressure. The longer it takes to get back to operating pressure, the longer the compressor motor will run. If the gauge shows 4kg/cm2 when the reamer is operating, then you should notice that the compressor motor is continuosly running while the reamer is in use.

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1602
Good Answers: 19
#16

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 8:45 AM

First question, why was a 30 HP compressor installed? Why not a 15 HP or 50 HP compressor?

How much air and pressure doe the reamer need? Does it work fine at 4 Kg/cm2?

Sometimes vendors will use cheap pressure gages on equipment that do not work well after the first week. Is your pressure gage accurate?

What is the setpoint of the compressor pressure switch or control? If that is set too low, carefully reset it to the correct output pressure. Setting the pressure too high is just a waste of electricity. It should be set about 5% higher that the required pressure at the farthest piece of connected equipment.

__________________
Eventually, one needs to realize that it is far less important to be the smartest person in the room than it is to sit next to that person and make friends.
Reply
Anonymous Poster
#17

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 12:45 PM

As other posters have suggested, the demand and duty cycle of the reamer must be identified in order to answer the question it appears you are asking.

The pressure gauge on the receiver shows 4 Kg/cm2 because the air is being drawn off faster than it is being replenished by the compressor. If the duty cycle ends and the compressor continues to run, it refills the receiver until the pressure again reaches 7 Kg/cm2. If it is not a continuous duty and the reamer draws off the receiver (stored air,) the compressor may be suitable.

If the question you are trying to ask is 'is the compressor and receiver properly sized' you have not provided enough information. If you are, in fact, asking whether the pressure gauge in the reservoir is correctly showing a different reading from what the compressor rating is, the answer is 'probably.'

Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#18
In reply to #17

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 5:23 PM

Agreed, several posters have made this point. OP Trichy Boobalan hasn't come up with the information. C'mon Trichy, we're trying to help, answer the questions and we may be able to do more!

Codey

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hop around Toronto, New York & Karachi
Posts: 1876
Good Answers: 19
#19
In reply to #17

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/26/2010 6:01 PM

If the air is drawn of faster then :

1 . He should get a bigger compressor or

2 . Have a bigger receiver. This will solve his pressure drop problem.

It is more economical to operate a a lower pressure so then he should have a pilot-operated PRV set at 4 kg/cm2 with inlet 7 kg/cm2. (Then again if he does not know the output flow cfm/m3/hr he would again face problem of oversizing/undersizing of the pRV)

By the way since he is gone so let us tell each other.

__________________
I not only use all the brains that I have, but all that I can borrow. Woodrow Wilson
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1602
Good Answers: 19
#21
In reply to #19

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/27/2010 10:08 AM

Ducon, "2 . Have a bigger receiver. This will solve his pressure drop problem."

Ducon, I have seen too many of your posts to know that you really did not mean this the way it sounds! A bigger receiver will NOT solve the problem of pressure drop, it will only moderate and level out the pressure swings from the process. If the process is cyclical, a small compressor matched to a properly sized large compressor can serve a larger load.

The receiver does not create pressure, but it can store a volume at a sufficient pressure IF the load is cyclical and IF the compressor has enough time to recharge the reservoir in between cycles.

I know that is what you meant. Just buying a bigger receiver does not solve the problem, the application needs to be reviewed to balance the supply source and the user deamnd to balance the system.

__________________
Eventually, one needs to realize that it is far less important to be the smartest person in the room than it is to sit next to that person and make friends.
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 105
Good Answers: 3
#20

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/27/2010 6:49 AM

There are a few questions unanswered:

1. What is the pressure in the reservoir before starting to work on the reamer? If it is 7 Kg/cm2 and if the pressure is gradually going down while the compressor is working one must come to the conclusion that the reamer air flow is more than the compressor capacity.

2. Does the pressure guage remain steady after coming down to 4 kg/cm2? If yes, then the air flow to the reamer is gradually reducing till it becomes equal to compressor capacity. In this condition if the reamer is performing satisfactorily, perhaps you don't need to bother.

cheers

Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Anonymous Poster
#22

Re: Air compressor working pressure

08/27/2010 1:50 PM

you must check it, when you start the comopressor with a Pd= 0 kg/cm2, what is time the compressor is running while the Pd= 7 kg/cm2 and the compressor off, then you open the valve to the reamer and check time if the compressor made your compression cycle, if not made that, your consumtion is better thah the capacity of your compressor and need a better compressor.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Reply to Forum Thread 22 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (4); bsekhar (1); Codemaster (2); ducon (2); English Rose (1); jvrj (1); kasharma (1); Olebogile (1); Parthasarathi Dalai (1); philip_bangalore (1); pritam (1); PWSlack (2); Ried (2); Stinky Pete (1); Tornado (1)

Previous in Forum: High Precision Flow Meter   Next in Forum: Regular Bbore & Full Bore Ball Valves

Advertisement