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What is Lightning?

10/01/2010 3:40 AM

It occurred to me that electrons are invisible and have no colour. Electricity has no colour. Lightning is flashing of electrical energy between two charged clouds. but why is it that there is light and sound generated? - Is it because of dust particles in the clouds, is it because there is oxygen for burning in the air? If there is no oxygen - will there be no - visible (but invisible) lightning? Obviously there is no flash over in vacuum.. But when there is insulation failure even in vacuum- why does it result in light accompanying flash? Say on moon (certainly NO) or Mars (may be) - do you have lightning accompanied by sound. Does sound always accompany lightning flash?

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Re: WHAT IS LIGHTENING?

10/01/2010 5:53 AM

Its the same sort of reason you get light in a strip lamp. Electrons in the orbits of atoms are excited and move up in energy level. When they fall back radiation is emmited in the visible spectrum. Sound is caused be sudden expantion of air due to heat of this process.

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10/01/2010 7:21 AM

That is interesting. Then can we have lightning in vacuum and still see light - but may be no sound!

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10/01/2010 7:44 AM

There is a spark in vacuum circuit breaker's too at the breaking/ making instants. This limits its use for higher voltage levels (where of course the necessary quenching of the arc is necessary for its break and vacuum of course is an insulator of heat too)

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10/01/2010 6:39 AM

Lots of info about lightning here on CR4. The first article answers some of your questions.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/search/sitesearch?do=show&sort=textmatchrank&srch=lightning&srchobjs=t%2Cbe%2Ctg&order=asc

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10/01/2010 11:26 PM

Lightning is essentially a BIG electrical spark. Air is normally a very good electrical insulator. However, if the voltage is high enough, air can become an electrical conductor. Through a rather complex process, a path of electrically conducting air, called a plasma, can propagate from a high voltage terminal (or a highly charged region within a storm cloud) towards a region of lower potential. During propagation, the current flowing through the channel is typically amperes or tens of amperes. The conductive channel propagates at a rate that's much faster than the speed of sound. Once the plasma channel (called a leader) "connects" to the opposite terminal (or ground or another cloud), a huge current - typically tens of thousands of amperes in the case of lightning- then flows through the spark channel, intensely heating the plasma within the channel to temperatures as high as 10,000 - 50,000 degrees K.

For small sparks, the spark makes a small click. Larger currents can cause a snap, or even a loud bang. Lightning creates a BIG bang, but we hear the sound coming from various parts of the giant spark at different times as the longer lasting sound of rolling thunder. The intense heating in the center of the spark channel causes the gases to radiate light and heat as "black body radiation" - a continuous spectrum of light that spans the infrared, visible, and ultraviolet. The heated molecules and atoms generate the light you see in lightning. Because of the supersonic breakdown process and huge pulse of current that flows when the leader "connects", lightning always generate a shock wave and thunder in any gaseous atmosphere. The gas mixture can be air (on Earth) or other mixtures of gases. Lightning has been observed on a number of other planets in the solar system

It IS possible for a spark to jump across a vacuum, but the process is significantly different than for a discharge within a gas. If the electrical field is great enough, electrons can literally be ejected from the negative terminal (cathode) in a process called field emission. This is often a sudden, explosive process that occurs on small high-field points (called asperities) on the surface of the cathode. Once free, these electrons are accelerated towards the opposite electrode (anode), acquiring lots of kinetic energy (velocity) in the process. When the high velocity electrons collide with the anode, they can be energetic enough to dislodge additional electrons and ions (positively charged metal atoms) from the anode. The ions are attracted back to the cathode and acquire energy from the electrical field. When they collide with the catjode, they can liberate more ions and electrons. Once the gap is full of a plasma made from free electrons and metal ions, a visible conductive plasma path between the electrodes is formed. This can pass large amounts of current (a vacuum arc) that radiates light and heat.

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10/01/2010 11:44 PM

very informative. thank you.

since you are so very up on these subjects... does the flow of electricity affect the fission of atoms? If those atoms can split, why wouldn't high voltage and heating affect the nuclei just like neutron bombardment?

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10/02/2010 12:53 AM

A simple spark discharge or even a hot arc is not sufficient to trigger nuclear reactions. However, under the right conditions, a high energy flow of charged particles can induce nuclear reactions. For example, a particle accelerator uses electrical fields to accelerate negative or positively charged particles. Note that a flow of charged particles is (by definition) an "electrical current". This flow (or particle beam) can consist of electrons, protons, larger ions, positrons, or other more exotic charged particles.

If you accelerate charged particles to a sufficiently high energy and then allow them to slam into matter, you can induce nuclear reactions. For example, electrons accelerated to 8 MeV or higher will induce neutron activation within carbon, forming the radioactive isotope C11, with a half-life of 20 minutes. Higher beam energies have even greater "impact" on target nuclei, stimulating higher-energy reactions, including fission, transmutation, or creation of other short-lived particles. Note that it's not the high voltage or heating per se, but the absorbed kinetic energy of the accelerated particles that triggers these nuclear reactions.

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10/02/2010 1:13 AM

thank you.

How much did patents cost in Tesla's day, and how does that compare to today? Any idea?

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10/02/2010 7:08 PM

Hi Chris

A piece of string was exactly the same length as it is today. Keeping it at that length has just become more complex. The patent industry is looking after itself and splitting hairs is what they are paid for.

The song remains the same, Ky.

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10/04/2010 3:45 PM

Chris,

You may find BT interesting... or not.

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10/01/2010 11:59 PM

Thank you very much for that very elaborate, informative explanation - both in gaseous and vacuum.

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10/02/2010 11:47 PM

Excellent response, thanks for beaucoup info.

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10/03/2010 8:03 AM

Hi!

According to my theory, electrons don;t transfer energy! Photons do! That may explain the light.

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