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Load Bearing Wall

10/02/2010 11:51 AM

My single storey house was built 20 years back.Foundation is designed for future addition of one more floor.The brick walls are load bearing.

Now I need to add one more bedroom with Bath/WC at the first floor.It is not feasible to add this in the ground floor,due to lack of space.

I am told by the contractor that load bearing walls permit construction on first floor for full portion of same ground floor plan only.As per him,to build only one bedroom at first floor is not feasible as there could be unequal settlement of soil,wheras constructing same area of GF in FF uniformly distributes load to soil.

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Re: Load Bearing Wall

10/02/2010 12:38 PM

I don't know how unstable your soil is. You don't want to create the leaning tower of Pisa. I'm sure the contractor would like to be hired to build an entire additional floor.

Would it be feasible to center your new bedroom and W/C above existing load bearing walls and foundation? It seems this would distribute the weight evenly across existing foundation, without the expense of an entire new level.

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10/03/2010 5:52 AM

Thank you. No problem with soil;it is stable.Centering new bedroom and W/C is good idea,to distribute the weight evenly. Since a portion of the new load cannot rest directly over the wall, suitable RCC cross beam may have to be designed to transfer the load to existing load bearing wall. Please advise.

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10/03/2010 7:15 AM

That's possible. I can't advise you any further from here, your going to have to find a local professional.

I don't think think the other posters realize that you are in India, I suppose residential building codes are pretty much nonexistent.

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10/02/2010 1:21 PM

In the US I would draft up detailed concept drawings and hand them to an architect to complete a design that passes local and state codes. Then pay the architect and submit the plans to the local authorities so they can issue the building permit.

Unless you are an expert at the local codes and laws, you need someone that can create drawings that meet code so they can be submitted to the building inspectors.

So, I would start at the office that issues building permits and ask who is authorized to design residential additions to homes. Get that list of people and start interviewing them to see which one you like to work with. Are they insured? Who carries the liabilities?

A general contractor may be able to do the design, but I would make sure that he really is qualified and has a good track record. The last thing you want is something going horribly wrong with the house after the work is done and paid for.

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10/03/2010 4:56 AM

If your home is only 20 yrs Then the approved drawings will (or Should) be on file in the Government offices, In England it,s the planning office, If you enquire at that office ask to speak to the surveyor or building inspector and ASK them their opinion as to what they think would be the best route to go down,I've found that if you make them feel important you will get a lot more help than trying to tell them,also they will be able to access your plans & tell if what you are asking is ok,don't ask the builder he has his own agenda, find out first,then get 3 estimates add the three prices together ÷ the answer by three and the nearest one to that gets it,never the lowest or the highest, it doesn't have to be just 3 it can be 4,5,6 or whatever but never less than three so if its 5,÷ by 5, 6 ÷ 6ect ect.

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10/03/2010 7:58 AM

"My single storey house was built 20 years back.Foundation is designed for future addition of one more floor.The brick walls are load bearing."

It would be best to verify the record documents (as-built drawings & design calculations) for that matter.

An structural assessment of the existing structure is also of great importance and shall be done by a professional engineer to verify soundness/fitness for additional floor construction.

"I am told by the contractor that load bearing walls permit construction on first floor for full portion of same ground floor plan only.As per him,to build only one bedroom at first floor is not feasible as there could be unequal settlement of soil,wheras constructing same area of GF in FF uniformly distributes load to soil."

That's not always true. If, as stated, "Foundation is designed for future addition of one more floor.The brick walls are load bearing." design calculations will always consider several load combination/arrangements that will determine the size of the footing/foundation as well as the bearing walls to safely support the intended one (or more?) floor/s with any practical floor layouts.

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10/04/2010 2:50 AM

Hi, Not necessary. If there are internal walls that are built by bricks on the first floor, if they are starting from the foundation, you can extend it to the first floor. Second option, you have to cast RCC beams that take support from the load bearing walls, these beams can be above or below the ceiling (hope you have RCC ceiling for the first floor) and you can built your first floor wall on these. I wish I could provide a drawing if this site allows. Do you mind disclosing your area / location / country of living? Regards

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10/04/2010 1:43 PM

Your suggestion(building first floor entirely same as ground floor plan is NOT necessary) is economical solution to my problem,relevant to the topic posted. I presume technical information can be shared in this forum through typical drawings or sketches,to explain the design basis.

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10/06/2010 2:05 AM

It seems you have abruptly ended discussing the point further.CR4 administrator may help if there are constraints or limitation in the system to proceed further.

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10/05/2010 3:33 AM

In my opinion,the response from DXB is not Offtopic!

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10/06/2010 8:16 PM

END OF THREAD????

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10/07/2010 6:11 PM

Post some pictures and diagrams of the building, you may get some more discussion if there's more to discuss.

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10/09/2010 1:47 AM

Let me check feasibility (1) to center new bedroom and W/C above existing load bearing walls and foundation to distribute the weight evenly across existing foundation and (2)to cast RCC beams that take support from the load bearing walls suitably,without the expense of an entire new level. Thank you all.

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