Does the Earth Expand

No. you're not really serious, are you?

If the earth does that, then its weight increases and it moves to outer rotation orbed and the temperature on the earth will be much cooler and no human life on it.

But......what about global warming?

Global warming is now called climate change. That way they do not have to explain why their theories/statements do not match their data. Find me a meteorologist that can accurately predict the weather 10 years in advance, let alone tomorrow.

The data is overwhelming. Get over it.

Hello Guest

What data? The raw stuff or the massaged end product.

I am not a climate change denier. The climate has changed from the beginning of time.

The data of climate change is overwhelming, as there were once dinosaurs in the Antarctic at one time, and Red Woods in the Artic. Before you wish too talk about plate tectonics, check the data.

The problem that I have is; that that a certain group of people tell me what will happen in twenty years , yet they can not predict tomorrow's weather within a 50% range.

The climate is changing. Do we have an impact on it? More than likely , so does a volcano that will dump more CO2 in a day than than we globally could in a year. The climate and all the things that effect it, are more complex than we understand.

"If a Butterfly flaps it's wings in the Himalayas, will there be a Tornado in Kansas?"

I do not know the end result, as those who should know have no idea either.

I enjoy open discussion.

Next time you wish to comment it would be best if you signed up and joined up with the rest of us.

Probably you are looking at the long list of skyscrapers and high rise buildings, yes more people can be accommodated on a small spot of land now.

I do not know if the earth is expanding or contracting but I do know that latest FAO estimates give 1.2 billion hungry people across the globe and this list is ever expanding!

The gradual accumulation of meteoric dust might enlarge the earth, but so slowly as to have nothing to do with population increase. These ideas are mismatched by many orders of magnitude.

Increase in diameter due to settling of dust is confirmed by multi layers of earth came across during excavations by archeologists.Each layer represents a certain number of years.About 3000yrs from now if our descendents excavate they will find implements used by us in the year 2000 and before.

Thanks Good, the diameter is increasing not decreasing.

Most of these layers are the result of erosion by water; only a small fraction are the result of erosion by wind. Virtually all of this is simply moving matter from one location (usually higher altitude) to another (usually lower altitude). Only a minuscule fraction of the material is cosmic dust and meteorites. Tectonic motion keeps lifting matter to higher altitudes (mountain building), so there is a never-ending supply of rock to be eroded.

Only the cosmic dust and meteorites contribute to a net increase in diameter, and the amount of that increase would be difficult if not impossible to measure over a human lifetime.

How did you know this?

Hey, that's mine! I've been looking for that.

I actually nearly sent U that but U is too young for such things

It's a knockoff. Actually a Bollex.

OMG!

The only theory I have seen that even remotely comes close to what you are suggesting was proposed in a book written by Scott Adams (the man who writes the Dilbert comic strips) with regard to a constantly expanding universe where everything is expanding (as an explanation of the effect of gravity). This however was a joke.

So, the answer is no, it does not. Where did you get this logically and scientifically implausible idea from (hopefully not in school).

So, i believe then the evolution theory is correct.

How come the evolution theory is valid ? Don't let me pull out my head's hair sir. if it is valid and the man's origin is monkey why we still have monkeys in the zoo ?

I'm afraid you have the wrong idea. Evolution, as understood today, tells us that humans and investment bankers had a common ancestor. This can be shown through DNA analysis in which we look for allele patterns. The best available evidence as of today tells us that common ancestor lived about 2.45 million years ago at the time humans descended from trees and began to work for a living (This is sometimes known as the Out of Wall Street Theory). While we humans began developing tool use, leading to increased hand use, necessitating bipedal locomotion, bankers developed only the fountain pen, with which they have driven humans to the verge of being an endangered species.

Excuse me sir,i don't believe those scientists any more ,every while they come up with new theory deforms completely the previous ones.

Actually, most of scientists theories are based on their imaginations and in many cases are far away from the reality.

Actually, most of scientists theories are based on their imaginations and in many cases are far away from the reality.

This broad, sweeping statement is just simply not true of the scientific world in general.

While imagination, creativity and open-mindedness play a part in the development of any scientific theory, education and pain-staking research, development, testing and redevelopment of a theory are what scientific theory development is all about.

To say scientists are just guessing like some sort of science fiction writer dumbs down the realty of what real scientific discovery is all about.

Jack - And you can quote me on that.

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That is commonly called 'thinking outside the box'. Without imagination, nothing new could ever be discovered. But that is only the first step of the scientific method. The new idea must be discussed and studied to see how that idea, if true, would affect other known objects or properties, then tested by experiments to see whether those predicted changes occur. If it appears to be true at that point, then other unrelated experimental teams must repeat the experiments to assure that the results were not due to some factor of the way the original experiments were executed, etc.

You obviously have no understanding of science, and how it progresses.

I believe you're right

I've found the proof

Well I guess that explains what happened to the Neanderthal. They didn't go extinct, they got evicted.

Monkeys in zoo have rejected the caste system. Put your head back in the right spot so that you do not see only brown!

What are you doing to that cat in your picture?

He feeds it snakes every meal.

Evolutionary theory does not claim that humans originated from monkeys. That is a religious, and antiscientific, distortion.

No single religion says the man's origin is monkey, that is the evolution theory and atheists thought,which is actually a false ideas from devil's malicious to bring people to abyss with him.

In hindu mythology called "Ramanaya story" a king goes to another country with the help of monkeys walking on two feet to wage a war.

Which has what bearing on evolutionary theory? (and I've read it)

In hindu mythology it has been mentioned that life started in water(fish etc),it became turtle moved to land became animal(pig etc),later bacame half animal-half man and finally man.

Thank you for the explanation, pnaban, I in no way mean to make light of your beliefs. I have learned something from you, and that sounds like a logical evolutionary progresson, except I would stop the line at half animal-half man. _{(well, you should see some of the people I have dinner with...)}

Yar, they do look great

Yes, think of the earth as a large rubber sheet. Let there be printed spherical coordinates Φ,θ,r on that rubber sheet. If increasing mass were to then stretch that sheet, all local points would separate from one another at the same rate, but distant points would separate at ever increasing rates, leading to the idea of the expanding rubber sheet.

If we then think of people as occupying a certain amount of area, say A, then Δ/ΔA remains constant, provided of course that people don't get larger and require more A. But, with the expanding rubber sheet, it is clear, at least in Euclidean geometry, that there are more ΔA than any prior time. Some may refer to this as an a posteriori prediction, but any critical theory analysis will show this to only be true should there be surplus labor.

In the end, any didactic expansion must be shown to require another geometry, one that is not orthomundane but is rather graphical. Without such a foundation, one can hardly expect evolution to precede.

That is natural growth and not evolution .

We have to accept the evolution theory because we have different species of mankind with a variety of shapes of head which would have evolved from different monkey species which in turn would have evolved from different kinds of animals like lion,tiger,donkey,zebra,cow buffaloe,elephant and so on with a variety of head shapes..Scientists only can confirm this

You do not understand evolutionary theory at all. Nothing in evolution has ever happened according to these ridiculous comments.

May I adjust that a bit Mr T?

Nothing in evolution has ever happened literally to these broad brush simplifications present in every ancient belief system.

Yes, this expansion is the result of the accumulation of human detritus.

This is just getting silly.

First free energy discussions and now free matter? Even human intervention in the way of mining is not going to appreciably increase the diameter of the earth, and certainly not its mass.

No, that is not quit , human detritus came from earth and to earth return.

I squish your head.

Sorry,here is the correction:

human detritus came from earth "products" and to earth return.

Now you don't to squish my head.

No, I squish your head, therefor displacing the detritus in a horizontal plane.

You have to go back to earth some day either you like it or not, you can not escape that.

Who you are ground control? My circuit dead, there something wrong.

Here ami floating in a tin can......

Guest, please stop talking to yourself. You don't need the internet to do this.

You can find everything you need in the book, "Auto Erotic Asphyxiation For Dummies"

You can do it Grasshopper!

Reminds me of VERMIN

The best solution for the ills brought over by excesses in Technology is, of course, to increase the size of the Planet.

Silly?.

Not at all. Everybody knows that many species when isolated in some islands becomes smaller and smaller without losing any character of their large Brothers, as the now extinct tiny elephants in some Mediterranean Islands. Most probably this shrinking is due to very few genes.

So it would be easy for humans, through genetic engineering to become, say 1/10 to 1/100 of the present size.

This is exactly as having enlarged the Planet. The laws of Physics would afect us in ways different from how they do it now.

We would survive tremendous toy car crashes and falls from a skyscraper, but we could get "glued" by water, and silly things like that.

One litre of gasoline could get us aroud the World. And our airplanes would fly in laminar flows of air

The idea is so interesting and so scientific, that I wrote a small novel on the subject.

The most interesting part happened during the conversion times when they had to coexist large and small people. Specially a devastating love story between a large and a small being.

Think of the erotic scene where a large man wants to have a child from his little girl. He needs to fill a bathtub with his sperm for her to take a deadly bath, just for love to him.

I hope this to stirr some interest in you.

Chorete

A marvelous idea! We shall create a new government agency - genetic engineering for planetary sustainability. The first Secretary shall be PeeWee Mendel and we'll breed for tiny. At age thirteen, every male child shall be examined by a journeyman millwright. Those over 4' 8" tall shall then be removed from the gene pool by Nurse Ratchet

Every three generations, we drop the height criterion down another 5" (or 13 cm if you live in one of those socialist countries).

Only if you believe in fairies!!!!!

Yes, i have a lot of things about fairies, go to this thread:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/58951/Whale-Suicide-Phenomenon

Yep! I guess if you believe in faeries you would have to believe the Indian "scientist" 'cause I reckon he would have to believe in faeries!!...........I think they should call him twin dick........because no one could be that stupid playing with one!!!!!!!

Faeries and demons are real, read that thread carefully 2 and 3 times.

You guys from Australia and New Zealand you need that Indian scientist to visit you several times.

The lights on but nobody's in!!!

Do you believe in the wee people too?

Do they live down the bottom of your garden?

Hey MOBI - U talking to yourself? Time to reassess?

Ah!.........thinks..........I must have had a senior's moment..........sorry about that.............I am allowed to have a senior's moment now I am 70.

It was supposed to be a reply to post #41

Sometimes when I am teaching, I wonder whether I am talking to myself!!!!

Maybe it's the Indian scientists visiting 70 times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiZiI37OFgc

I like humorous criticism.

I have to agree: I never finished and published my novel, too many rational problems to be solved.

From the hard Science point of view, the proposal is quite possible, but very dfficult to become a fact in Real World.

Practically it is a fascist idea and most people would strongly oppose it.

So the frame of the novel points out to a War to Death between a few people that accepts the concept and hide away to begin to breed small children and, in the other side, large people.

Unfortunately this War would be won by the small people.

You may think that small people could be smashed like cockroaches.

Exactly! Everybody knows how easy is to smash a cockroach and how impossible is to eliminate all of them. They have no brain, imagine intelligent cockroaches!.

So, social considerations and not the hard Science Genetics and Physics would make this novel very undesirable.

It could be a bestseller. But I do not want to publish a bestseller, but something that really helps Humanity to get into a better Future, as Huxley did

Chorete

Sir, please wear shirt or jacket ,it is too cold there.

Don't come up with a new evolution theory in your new novel please.

Hahahahahahahahah!............NOT!

Yes, the earth expands the square of the proportion of the distance that needs to be traveled vs the time that you need to be there. happens to me most everyday....... Yeah! what is he doing to that cat??????

beware the misplaced decimal point.......

No the earth is not expanding.

True, meteorites strike the earth continuously and add mass while at the same time atmosphere is peeled off and we lose mass.

But we have also reduced the Earth's mass with orbiting satellites, rockets and probes that have left the surface never to return.

But what if we could trade oceans for land? The Earth itself would not need to expand, just the dry land area. We know that certain Island chains (like Hawaii) have offered us more land to inhabit where before there was only water there. However, the water was displaced by the added soil and therefore raised the ocean level by some minuscule amount. Man made Islands and Points have been created (Terminal Island CA, and Tyre come to mind) so leveling hills into the water seems to provide some habitable land at the expense of rising water level. But if the water evaporates away into the upper atmosphere and becomes dissociated by UV radiation, then the hydrogen portion could escape completely to space exposing more and more land (good thing we have those polar cap reserves). Of course, it would seem that man has even become proficient at living on the water - both in House Boats, Ships etc as well as on the Ice itself. But you may wish to do some research and see how much of the planet is actually uninhabited.

I once read that if all the dry land was properly conditioned for habitation, and every dead person who has ever died were revived, each person would have over an acre of land to themselves. Really? The earth has a radius of 8,000 miles and the surface of a sphere is PiD² which gives us 804,247,719.32 square miles. If 3/4 of the earth is water, then that gives us 201,061,929.83 square miles of land. There are 640 square acres in a square mile, so this gives us 128,679,635,091.08 square acres. That's 128.6 Billion Acres. WOW! Let's say there are 8 billion people alive, that means we could bring back 120 billion people that have died and we all would have a enough land for one acre each. Could a family of five exist on 5 acres? I think so, I grew up in a family of eight on 2-1/2 acres. Oh, wait - evolution doesn't give us a way to bring dead people back to life. Only God has promised to do this, so if you don't believe in God you'll have to figure out a different way to do the calculations. One thing for sure, it will take a miracle from God to make the Sahara Desert a farmland because I don't think mankind will ever figure out how to shrink our deserts - but we seem to be good at expanding them. (See Expanding Deserts by Land and Sea)

Tell that to these guys.

http://www.landreport.com/americas-100-largest-landowners/

Please sir, can I have an acre?

Members _{(she said...)} speaking of burning books? Discounting evolutionary theory?

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooo

and thank you, Tornado, for this. It's tiresome to keep making that distinction.

Actually Earth is getting smaller - as its core is cooling so becoming more dense.

The only way to make it bigger is to alter (reduce) the mean density

We could perhaps collect all the heavy elements; lead, gold, uranium, etc, and eject them into space ....

Or perhaps release the fissionable energy - like make all those mega tons of water into H, H & O?

Then we could have lots more space for people!

This would also save that $1.50 going into 'fusion research" - which obviously would make Earth heavier - sorry I meant 'more dense'.

You have illustrated the gravity of the situation.

I always wondered why he called it 'gravity'

Actually I believe the earth is shrinking slowly as it cools. Though that has no bearing on population.

Does "bulging" count as expansion?