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Purpose of Booster Pump

10/24/2010 9:33 AM

wat is the purpose of booster pump intdbfp,,instead of it why can't we install a high capacity main pump??????

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Re: purpose of booster pump

10/24/2010 10:37 AM

What is, "intdbfp"?

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10/24/2010 10:58 AM

You can do anything your boss permits you to do. We are certainly not going to stop you here. Here you can make up new words, intdbfp, that have mysterious meanings. Now I believe a booster pump is a pump that changes some parameter of fluid motion but to less of an extent than the main pump. This design approach could be for any of several important reasons:

  • The fluid has lost too much of this parameter to be effective in the next job.
  • The circuit branch with this booster pump requires a different level for this parameter than what the main pump provides the rest of the system.
  • The parameter level needed cannot be produced in just one stage.

Any of these reasons that I dreamed up and several more that I didn't think of could explain why you use a booster pump in your system.

Now you will notice that I deliberately used nebulous terms like parameter and fluid in my plausible explanation. This is because I do not know anything at all about these items to help you solve your problem. I use to ask the OP to come back with more information but so rarely does anyone return with useful information that I've come to a different conclusion. Most people who ask these kinds of questions come here with all of the information they can grasp of the situation looking for help. They use their subsection 1d10T exception clause to bring their problem to us. (We all have used this exception at one time in our lives. We're all human here. Beep. ) If you wish to provide us with more information about your system, I'm certain somebody here may help you. Or you could just bypass your booster pump and install a bigger main pump to see what happens.

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/24/2010 11:28 AM

To begin, I assume by 'intdbfp' that your fingers got crossed-up on the keyboard and you meant to type 'omyfng['.

You don't provide any details about your system, so any answers you get are likely to be pure speculation. So here goes, 4 quick ones just off the top of my head:

1. Your system doesn't have enough electrical power available to support a larger main pump, but it can support a booster pump down stream.

2. The pipes cannot support the stronger pressure from a larger main pump.

3. A larger main pump would need to be fed by a booster or priming pump anyway, so their is no gain in having a higher capacity main pump.

4. Plans for future growth makes using a booster pump a better long-term alternative.

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/24/2010 11:35 AM

What's "omyfng["?

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/24/2010 11:38 AM

the word is "booster" means to boost up/increase. What to increase ? pressure not flow!

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/24/2010 1:11 PM

Based on the information provided (or lack there of) and the way the original question was written I suspect that "chalkpiece" is from/in India or Pakistan.

I also suspect that he or she is really meaning a "Jockey Pump" normally associated with a fire water loop system to maintain pressure without running the main Fire Water Pumps.

Just a thought.

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/24/2010 3:10 PM

TWDHSS? <S, C>

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/25/2010 9:59 AM

The booster pumps are placed ahead of BFP in thermal power stations to ensure that sufficient NPSH is available to BFP and thereby avoid cavitation (you must be aware that the condensate is at negative pressure)

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10/25/2010 10:17 AM

These booster pumps are placed ahead of the primary pump to maximize flow rate. In this case cavitation is not a problem.

Not one single cryptic acronym to be found here.

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10/25/2010 1:25 PM

yes boss, i asked about power plant only,,,,can u please expalin it elaborately,,,,

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10/25/2010 2:00 PM

Where did you say anything about a power plant?

I guess this comes under the realm of poor English. Well allow me to post the pertinent part of the FAQ on the rules for posting.

Provide as much information as possible. The most frustrating questions on this site are like this: "I need a sensor to test water flow - which is the best one." What are you testing for, what are you trying to determine? Is it in a stream, a pipe, an aquifer? Are you looking to measure velocity or mass? Are you testing for particulates, mineral concentration or pollution? Is it wastewater, potable water, slurry, etc.? The more you let us know, the better the chance that someone on the site will be able to help you find an answer (thanks Silas Marner).

This rule exists not only so that we can understand what you are asking but so we can also understand your language skills and technical expertise.

Now allow me to add my own personal caveat. Power plants are very dangerous environments. If you do work at a power plant, you should not be asking us about the details of your plant's design without demonstrating what you do understand about your plant's design. If you are lucky a little misplaced knowledge in this environment will only shut down the power plant and cost you your job. If you are unlucky you could kill many people. Nobody here wants to see another Chernobyl disaster. If you do not work at a power plant then you must still explain how much you understand of this process so we can offer a useful explanation. Requesting a more elaborate explanation when you offer so little comprehension seems very dangerous and disrespectful.

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10/25/2010 3:32 PM

Easy redfred. Do not get red. These are indians and practically all of them are same type, they register anew and start a stupid thread. They too make me very

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10/25/2010 3:38 PM

They also seem to have a very low concern for safety. I could make a joke here in poor taste, but safety should not be laughed at.

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10/26/2010 1:29 PM

These are indians and practically all of them are same type, they register anew.

This comment is highly uncalled for and the Indians with due regards are much more appreciated (much more than those from your country except in some areas- which one need not mention). Also as a foot note I have encountered sillier questions in this forum as well as others from other parts of world.

On second thoughts did any one really try to answer the question/ decipher it? bfp was glaringly existing in the jumbled up word. For me it was easy as manufacturer of the all these CWP/CEP/BFP/BP but it will not be always so easy for say a power plant operation/ maintenance person.

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10/26/2010 2:32 PM

Now hold on there partner. You may have accurately guessed what "intdbfp" means but we've yet to hear a clear confirmation from the OP what this means. The very first question/reply to this thread was for a definition of this acronym. The use of poorly defined acronyms that are not standard engineering terms is a CRIMINAL act in my book. One of the most important tasks every engineer has to master is the ability to accurately communicate with others. This includes the fundamental act of answering a simple question.

Now before you get the idea that I have a DILLIGAF attitude here, I want to remind you that before anyone becomes FUBAR I showed concern over people's safety. To me it seems that you do not care at all for people's safety, UD15. It seems to me that life and limb are less important to you than the sales of your product.

I honestly hope that I am wrong.

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10/27/2010 1:32 PM

The SA attitude will not take one anywhere, and more so the prejudiced and non-sequitur statements like life and limb are less important to you than the sales of your product.

In which of the statements does one come across the fact that there had been a sales pitch here? in all the statements the requirement of the booster bump before BFP had been stressed.

BTW(1)- TDBFP = Turbine Driven Boiler feed Pump (against MDBFP where instead of the Drive turbine an electric motor drives the Boiler feed Pump) The only thing the OP missed was a space between In and TDBFP.

BTW(2)-we are not in the economy or the technological level at which we have to struggle to sale, at least that had been the condition for more than thirty years now I had been with it.

BTW3- The thread on NaOCl reaction had been been correctly interpreted in #5 (please refresh your memory) and never had any acronyms but that didn't stop one from making wrong guesses did it? Post #1 there had nothing to do with question of course. And the equation

2NaOCl + H2O↔ Na OH+Cl2 is reversible too as is the nascent O that is produced (unless I have forgtten or the chemistry/chemical reactions has been modified from the good old days)

The typical odour of Chlorine from Bleaching solution is a giveaway as well as the instability of the aquous NaOCl solution which loses chlorine on storage. Also one may like to check the PH value of NaOCl solution (which should be neutral in case of NaCl+O) reaction, but it is not) That takes care of the accurate communications I hope and the comment Chemistry is one of the fields that personifies the phrase "A little knowledge is dangerous.

However all these are immaterial in this forum, and the help I hope the OP wanted has received the helps from established senior members notwithstanding. I wouldn't like to comment in the other post of Alexander Berlin where quite a few informations have given (Aluminium does not have a DBTT sorry Ductile- Brittle Transition temperature in fact Al and its alloys along with few Austenitic Steels are preferred for Cryo services Also the Aluminium does not get Heated by induction/ gets less heated - the difference is only the Hysterisis Losses which form a tiny fraction- Eddies are property of conductors and the Induction heater will be much more useless than a simple blow torch - Al Coefficient of Expansion is double of Steel and Conductivity is more than 15 times). In addition the 200 Degree C itself was doubtful case but that was left to AMB - Alex M berlin- Since the effective 0.2% Strain is a bit too much not only for Al but for steel too and is likely to go in non-linear portion). Hopefully that takes care of the accurate engineering advices given.

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/27/2010 3:34 PM

While there was not a sales pitch specifically, you do make it clear that your company work does produce products in this field.

For me it was easy as (a) manufacturer of the all these CWP/CEP/BFP/BP but it will not be always so easy for say a power plant operation/ maintenance person.

I hope you don't mind that I added the small grammatical correction of inserting the article "a".

Now as far as the rest of your speech:

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Re: Purpose of Booster Pump

10/26/2010 1:58 PM

The BFP is a high RPM pump and hence more prone to cavitation if sufficient NPSH is not maintained.

One way to generate this NPSH is to move de-aerator up and the gravity will provide the NPSH. However as you may see that for the huge flow requirement the height required will be enormous.

The better method is to put a low RPM pump feeding to the BFP which will be more tolerant to low/ negative suction head at the pump inlet.

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