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12/29/2010 9:43 AM

can anybody tell me what will happen if we put diesel in petrol engine and petrol in diesel engine???????

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12/29/2010 9:48 AM

Go ahead and figure it out !!!

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12/29/2010 9:59 AM

ha ha.....

i dont have a lab to test......

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12/29/2010 9:49 AM

In both cases you will have angry owners of an engine.

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12/29/2010 10:00 AM

what do you mean by binary??

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12/29/2010 10:05 AM

Well I can tell which of the two groups you're in.

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12/29/2010 3:13 PM

This is one of the many pearls of wisdom you leave for us! Priceless.

I will remove another OT vote for you.

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Thank You

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12/29/2010 10:06 AM

Neither will run properly. The results could be anywhere from ruined engine to massive explosion. Even people with no knowledge of engines usually have more common sense than to even ask the question.

Lynlynch is an expert with questions like this, maybe he'll come around and help you out.

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12/29/2010 12:44 PM

"Lynlynch is an expert with questions like this"

Thank you for the compliment. Yes, I am. It's the answers to "questions like this" that evade me.

Seriously, nothing major will happen if you put diesel in a gas engine. It just won't start. If you can get most of the diesel out of the tank and dilute the rest with gas, you can usually get the engine started and drive away.

My idiot step-daughter did this, but she only put a couple of gallons of diesel in the tank. I filled it completely with gas and after a couple of minutes cranking it ran fine.

Gas in a diesel engine is more problematic. You'd need to drain and flush the entire fuel system, if you haven't tried to start it too many times. Otherwise you may blow a head gasket, or worse.

Don't do it is the best advice I can give.

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12/29/2010 3:51 PM

Well that was disappointing. I don't know if I like nice.

Oh hell! It's just the holidays............brutal will make a comeback.

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12/29/2010 4:29 PM

Ok, Look, I was caught off guard by the "compliment".

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12/29/2010 4:50 PM

Not to mention that diesel also acts as a lubricant to the injector pump, while gas does not.

Don't do it is the best advice I can give.

Usually a question like this does not come about......until its an issue.

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12/30/2010 2:31 AM

Diesel engines will run on almost any feul but with only petrol, the diesel pump and injectors will wear out in minutes without lubrication. NO harm will be done to the engine or head gasket.

When I could not get diesel, I once ran a diesel pickup on a mix of 5 liters each of engine oil, petrol and parrafin with no harm done.

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12/30/2010 7:50 PM

well, I would never take recommendations like that from a blog site, even cr4.

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Lynlynch is an expert with questions like this, maybe he'll come around and help you out.

WTF!

Are you on the Lyn-Door payroll now?

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01/07/2011 5:49 AM

No, but if they're paying I could use the money. I just think lynch's smartass comments are funny. I've been on the receiving end of more than one.

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12/30/2010 1:33 AM

To some degree his question has validity. Multi-fuel induction systems is what I've worked on for a few years now. The military has had their own both spark ignition multi fuel and of course turbine, diesel and other engines designed with variable compression. Other devices such as spark control in cylinder positioning (utilizing a special plug) was all that was needed for different fuels, for example. Changes in fuel pressure and it's delivery methods another. This paper is one from SAE related to spark ignition. The LDS465-2 was a 200hp example of a multi fuel capable engine that was utilized by the military.

In a pinch, a Deuce (ok, pun intended) was capable of running on motor oil and AV gas to stretch the AV gas and get a mixture to auto-detonate in those engines when diesel wasn't available. Obvious automated timing control features were some of the developments in the diesel engines to utilize different grades of heavy fuels.

There are also Combined Diesel/NG engines these "fumigated" Diesel engines have some extra plumbing added to let them burn Natural Gas and Diesel concurrently, the Diesel fuel providing the ignition source.

Many other labs are working on Ultra Lean burn systems capable of burning heavier fuels, (found from DOE and DOD grants related,) due to the stratified charge preparation prior to combustion. There are many other variables related but there are systems that are simplified that allow a "typical" SIE to utilize efficiently heavier available fuels.

To just dump in the fuels without a little physics and chemistry understanding and some modifications, as all has mentioned thus far, is really not a good idea!

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12/30/2010 10:19 AM

I think this was more a rhetorical question, since the OP's only other question is "what's the difference between a muffler and a silencer".

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01/06/2011 11:04 PM

Mufflers might be used on my car. The silencer is used on my gun.

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12/30/2010 7:46 PM

the earlier farm tractors (1920's) were dual fuel. Gasoline and kerosene. I believe McCormick-Deering (model 10-20 I think). I'll see what I can find.

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12/31/2010 6:49 AM

International TD9 crawler tractors from many years back started on pure petrol [gas] and was switched over to diesel feul........a very complicated system. Unfortunately people who were used to petrol/parraffin tractors that you had to stop ,switched back to petrol when the day's work was done, made the mistake to switch the TD9 from diesel to petrol also..........thus the extra small valves that was open when running on petrol warped and did not close propperly........so the head had to come off to repair it!

Does someone still remember working on these tractors?

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12/31/2010 10:10 AM

that's simlar what my dad told me. There was a small canister that had gas in it and after it was running you switch it over

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01/03/2011 8:56 PM

can anybody tell me what will happen if we put diesel in petrol engine and petrol in diesel engine???????on.

Years ago I had an old ex-army gasoline Land Rover and access to abundance of diesel, the vehicle had two fuel tanks fitted, so I could start the motor on gasoline and when the motor was hot switch over to diesel I travailed 100 miles each day to and from work for four months, with no damage to the motor. The cylinder compression was around 8 to 1 so there was a bit of smoke when the motor was under labour, I also discovered that some English motors were designed for either petrol or diesel fuels, the bottom end of the motor had heavy duty crank and bearings fitted, so all that was needed for the motor to run on diesel was to replace the distributor with a diesel fuel injector pump and a high compression head with injectors. For diesel to burn efficiently you would need high compression say 17 to 1.

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01/06/2011 11:21 PM

From personal experience. My daughter put about 5 gallons of diesel into the fuel tank of a Dodge van. The van was almost empty, so there was a majority of diesel in the tank. The engine was restarted easily enough, and soon started to ping, and knock under load. She drove it easy on an expressway for the 32 miles to the house. As it drove further the power dropped, and the knocking was harder to avoid. When she got back on city streets, it began to stall and not idle fast enough. Two blocks from the house it would not restart, and she left it in the median. I got to it about 20 min. later with 15 gallons of fresh gasoline. I put all but about a quart in the tank. Poured some into the carb and started it. I let it run fast for about 30 sec. till the fresh fuel got to the carb. It still smoked some, and power was still low, and it still pinged some. But it ran well enough again, and as the fuel was filled up, it ran better again. After a few days, it was just another joke about that poor old van.

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01/09/2011 11:56 PM

I have enjoyed reading some of the more informed comments on this subject and would like to add a bit more. It is common to find jet plane refueling lorries at most international airports running on aviation kerosene, the abrasive affect on the combustion chamber is overcome by adding engine oil to the kerosene.

During WW2 there was fuel rationing and my grandfather had a charcoal burner box fitted to his four ton lorry, the gas produced by the burning charcoal was then drawn into the naturally aspirated gasoline engine.

The 1910 Oil Pull gasoline tractor built by Dr Edward Rumely was a combustion engine designed to run on kerosene he ran the engine at higher temperatures to achieve detonation and introduced, a Secor-Higgins carburettor atomized water to prevent pre-ignition. The cooling system was through a radiator cooling tower that cooled the oil, no water in the engine block had two advantages, it didn't rust and didn't freeze in cold weather.

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