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Welding Flange To Plate

01/15/2011 9:04 PM

Hi guys,

I need your help regarding B16.47 Series A. I have a vessel rolled by plate, Sa 516 70, with fix ID=768mm and the thk=12.7mm and it also has a body flange instead of 2:1 SE head. From the above ID and thk, i get 793.4 mm (31.24") as the OD of the vessel.

Is it possible for me to choose body flg size 30" or 32"?

If i choose 30", then i need to adjust the A value in Table 31, B16.47 to maintain the A = OD vessel. Do i need to perform Appendix 2 calc since the diameter of hub (X) , note 2 stated that the hub may be straight of tapered.

Or i just choose 32", then follow Fig.3 (a), Welding Ends (WN flg). However, i'm not understand 18 deg max. (1:3) shows to which part.

Hope u guys can assist me. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Welding flange to plate

01/16/2011 4:52 AM

Why did anyone choose to build a pressure vessel shell whose outside diameter failed to match a standard flange inside diameter, if a flange was meant to be used?

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Re: Welding Flange To Plate

01/17/2011 2:04 AM

It was better at the 1st step of design to select the diameter of the vessel to be the same diameter of the standard flange. Otherwise, you have to procure a nonstandard flange with diameter matching the diameter of the vessel.

And tapered transition by 18o or ratio 1:3 (l ≥ 3) is only required when you weld unequal thicknesses, where there must a taper transition of the thicker part to adjust the two welded thicknesses (see UW-9 and Fig. UW 13.1 of ASME BPVC, Section VIII, Div.1).

And the permissible misalignment between two parts with different thicknesses shall be ≤ 1/2(t1-t2), where t1 = thicker part thickness & t2 = thinner part thickness of a welded parts as per Fig. UW-13.1.

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Note. A new nonstandard welded-neck or slip-on or socket-weld flange can be designed to match with the diameter of the vessel, depends on the design pressure and design temperature. Otherwise, if it is possible you can modify the diameter of the vessel to match with the diameter of the standard flange.

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Re: Welding Flange To Plate

01/17/2011 7:08 AM

Thanks Mr.Abdul Halim for your kind explaination.

As per Mr.Tornado said, i don't know what do you mean by "outside diameter of shell failed to match inside diameter of shell'..sometime, client wants id of shell to be flushed with id of flg. And then, i only need to adjust OD of flg which is A value to fit with shell OD. ID of shell need to fix due to process internal attachment constraint.

As far as i know, in B16.47, the bore of flg is determined by purchaser as note (f). As long we are not exceed max bore, B of flg, then you don't have to run Appndx 2 cal which is still claim as a std flg. Please refer to clause 2.7 in B16.47 for the max value of B.

However, if i insist to maintain the flg as a std, i need to maintain the A value and try to use fig 1-3 in order to match OD of the shell. Am i right?

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Re: Welding Flange To Plate

01/24/2011 6:20 AM

Dear Mr.Abdul Halim,

Did you mean diameter of the vessel is the inside diameter or outside diameter? i only can guess that is for outside diameter since A value in B16 is a fix value, which is same as pipe nominal size..but in my case, client fix the ID. Since i decide to roll by plate (lower cost and the schedule for this project too short to order pipe with big size) , we will not always get the OD same as pipe OD.

Could anyone please advice me on this issue?

Thanks in advance..

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Re: Welding Flange To Plate

01/24/2011 10:32 AM

Inform the client that his awkward choice of i.d. leads to an o.d. that does not match a standard pipe/flange size.

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