Watery Drinks

Thanks for your response.

Does this presume that the entire drink has reached the temperature of the ice? Is that possible? Won't the final temp be somewhat above the freezing point of water?

How long does it take for this to happen? The drink will get progressively colder as time goes on until it gets as cold as it will get as set forth in your response. If I drink it in 1 min what will the temp of the drink be? If I wait 2 minutes, what will be the temp? How much water at the one minute point and then at 2 minutes.

Life is trade offs. How cold can I get my drink without it being unnecessarily diluted?

My life is a school. I learn as I go. I ask myself questions I can't answer readily. If that makes this a homework question even though self generated, then yes. But I am just playing with you. I notice that drinks made with warm coke (diet) look and taste watery and I wondered how much.

Right.

One rum+coke.

Room temperature.

Ice melting. Glass nicely frosted. Yummm. Fred, one more please !

Ok. Rum and cola coca.. er coke. Rum tempertur. Where did it go ?

'Kay, let's haf nuther....

Does your favorite bar have frosted beer mugs available?

If so, the frozen mug would help compensate for the warm coke.

Since carbonation disappears quickly once the drink becomes watery, and you're drinking it straight down anyway, maybe you could get your favorite bar to just make the ice cubes out of coke..............less water, and you might be able to enjoy your drink a little longer.

Here's an interesting side question........Can we carbonate alcohol? If so, carbonated rum, a splash of liquid coke, combined with the coke ice cubes would make for a delicious, (and non-watery), beverage.

Ummm, my favorite bar is at home and I keep my sodas cold to begin with. It is only very expensive bars stateside that chill beer mugs. Down here as I said I am lucky to get a cold diet coke to begin with. After the ice melts well it ain't what it was claimed to be.

I didn't know that carbonation disappears quickly once the drink becomes watery although it did seem that way but I didn't know for a fact that was so. Just another reason to get cold soda before adding to the ice.

Freezing the coke is not a bad idea. I could just freeze a bottle of coke till it gets slushy, then add rum. That should be pretty good. Because the bottle was not opened it should remain fully carbonated.

But you are saying the carbonation will not leave diet coke before it freezes into ice cubes?

No, the coke cubes won't be carbonated. If you put the whole bottle of coke in the freezer, don't forget about it..........the bottle will rupture or the cap will blow off and you'll have a big mess on your hands.

Diet coke! How can you stand rum and "diet" coke? The whole purpose of the coke is sugar: to get that straight-to-the-bloodstream shuttle going, afaik.

I've always personally appreciated the little wateriness added to drinks by a melted ice cube or two (except at the bottom of the glass, that's a different matter). But if you don't like it, specify "no ice" and drink it warm? Or specify no ice, and complain if it is warm. Okay, Carribean, you have to love your ice. Love the ice. Love it. (my driveway is full of ice just now, want some? Big slick, no salt, no sand, cold enough to freeze a case of coke or more )

That's a pretty serious drink with 4 shots in it

Try these stone cubes:

http://www.temperatureware.com/coolware.html

No dilution.

To answer your original question would require some more info; shape and size and number of cubes, any agitation while sitting.

I keep my liquor in the freezer.

On the rocks, please!

You will lose a lot of the cooling effect. There is a lt of energy absorbed in the melting of the ice. Better get those rocks cold!

May be we need to revise few definitions of basic thermodynamics such as Sensible heat, latent heat ,density and volume etc.

then go ahead and revise, with my blessing

Why ruin a decent rum drink with coke and ice?

By the way, the alcohol content remains the same, no mater what you mix it with...

4 oz of rum is 4 oz of rum whether you drink it straight or thin it down (recommended) Put that much alcohol into a 250 lb person in a 1 hr time span and you will lose your license if you're foolish enough to drive. Make it 2hrs, if you're under 200 lbs -- it don't matter how you feel, it's what you blow.

If you want a good tasting cocktail, pour 1 1/2 oz rum into an old fashioned glass filled with ice. There's room for about 1 oz of coke to top it off. Tell the bartender to make it that way & tip him each time he brings you a fresh one.

At these proportions, the rum shines through & you can concentrate on the redhead down the bar instead of scratching out math formulas on your napkin.

A good bar chills the coke to the freezing point, and cools the liquor below freezing point of water -5C and cools the ice to -30C, so it crackles when wet and uses chilled glasses.

That reduces the speed at which the whole thing melts and the liquor concentration stays higher longer.

When I was at school, we used to make vodka cubes in the lab deep freeze - they had some striations, but froze at -100F or so.

It is easy to slip someone a strong drink with vodka cubes, while you have a lesser one...expecially with a strong lime/lemon mixer

Creating a drowsy tigress would be a wrong move...

but drinking Hu Jintao under the table might be okay.

Strategize accordingly!

Shame, shame! Add an ice cube at -100F to your boxers.

Latent heat of fusion 333 J/gram

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_heat

Specific Latent heat 4.2 J/gm/°C

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_heat

I'll let you do the maths before you get too sozzled.

thanks, but if I knew the answer I wouldn't have asked the question.

Sorry to be obtuse, but the charts are relatively meaningless as it has been 40 years since latent heat of anything had any real meaning to me.

Would you care to explain? I don't like warm soda nor warm rum and cokes. SO at what point is my drink cooled enough to be enjoyable but not watered down so as to spoil for me the taste from water and lack of carbonation. So I ask the temp and water content after 1 minute and after 2 min

What i use are these...

Here is a link to the patent too..

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4325230.pdf

80­°F is about 27° C

333/4.2 is about 80

So to cool your 12 oz of liquid from 80° to freezing point you need to melt

(27/80)*12 oz ice = 4 oz ice

SO at what point is my drink cooled enough to be enjoyable but not watered down so as to spoil for me the taste from water and lack of carbonation?

At the point at which you get your butt up into that cold frozen northern part of the world where you can put a drink down on a table, and you have to drink it quickly before it freezes. No ice. No chilling glasses, diet Coke, or the blessed rum.

"That was easy."

I'm in the Crib. also, why ice & coke and dirty a glass? That's what bottles are made for! right?

Firstly a bar that serves warm Coke is simply unprofessional at best, it makes me wonder what else they do badly!

Firstly, order from a decent bar withz cold coke and then use a beer bottle cooler around the glass to keep the drink away from your warm hands and the environment. I bought a load in the USA many years ago.....

The model I bought is flexible and wraps around with Velcro. I could not find the same design that fits anything from a tall glass to a bottle, but these are close:-

Stubby-Cooler

I hope this helps.

Sorry Andy, no it doesn't help at all

Did you try it? works great on beer in hot climates.....cool ones too!!

Of course I have Andy. Not these particularly, but they come in different styles and grades of insulation and shape. They come in a size for cans and a different shape for bottles. I use them and so do most everyone else who lives down here. However my interest is in minimizing the amount of water in my drink from melted ice cubes because the coke was warm to begin with.

AH! The penny has dropped.

The only way is to have ice cubes that don't melt. They are out there, someone mentioned stone cubes as well......

Buy them yoourself, keep them in the deep freeze, transport them to the bar in a small cool box that has also been in the freezer open, at least 12 hours......

Buy enough for all your drinks, refuse the ice and insist on cold coke!!!

Be a MAN DEMAND!!!

I searched and found:-

non+melting+ice+cubes

Hi Andy, I have in fact contacted stone cubes for more info. How long do they hold their cold etc. compared to ice. how long to chill them etc.

If I insisted on a cold coke they would say we sre so sorry but we don't have any. What else can we get you?

Cold stones will not work as well as ice cubes, the big energy loss is during the state change from solid to liquid!

Then they need to be made colder/replaced, but as the problem was too much water after the ice had melted, that should not be a problem......

The "stone cubes" almost certainly contain a phase change substance. Maybe just water or brine.

FWIW 80 proof rum is 60% water to start with and the coke is about 99% water.

Also alcohol lowers the freezing point so your drink could end up somewhat below 32 degrees.

Yes BUT! it does not lower the melting temperature of the ice cubes that don't have any alcohol in them!

Pouring alcohol on ice melts it even when the ambient temp is below 32. The alcohol either diffuses into the ice or it is sufficient to be at the interface.

What temperature is the ice? zero degrees? 10 below? Though most BTU exchange is at 32 degrees, there is a good bit as the ice is heated to melting point. I don't believe it to be as simple as figuring the BTUs from 80 degrees to 32 degrees.

one question not nswered is how long does it take to cool the drink from 80 to 32?

Wild guess: 60 seconds if still, 30 seconds if stirred, 10 seconds if shaken.

With a drink like that, i would have to grab on to the grass to keep me from off the ground!!!

What we did in Hawaii, to prevent "Liquor larceny", as we called it, , was just to have all of the different parts of the mix, served in different glasses--Order your Shot, or shots, on the side , order your mix separate, make sure you have a few limes , and a glass of ice, and make whatever the hell you want--What is is with all of these calcs????[ Did the same thing in Central America, Nicaragua especially, that has wonderful Rum--Order your self and party , a bottle of rum, a couple of bottles of Coca Cola, a whole jug of ice, and a platter of limes, and everyone has it the way they want---Damn--Why do we have to calc out everything??

It just depends on how anal^.ytical one is!

well, if you brought warm bottles of coke to the table I guess you don't or didn't care if there was an excessive amount of water in your drink. It is entirely your choice

Control your coke with ice, then add the rum---Listen to the music ,and say hi to the women--Would much rather have watery coke than watery rum...My humble opinion

What materials have the greatest latent heat energy? Gold, lead, mercury? Get a couple of small squares about the size of an ice cube. Freeze them in a cold freezer. Find a small insulated thermos, (the cheap plastic ones a child would carry a single serving of soup to school in) fill with water and freeze solid.

When ready for the trip to the pool bar, grind away sufficient ice from the thermos to fit your frozen gold cubes into it. Now carry your thermos to the bar, order the drink with no ice, and add your gold cubes. Between drinks, you can recharge the cubes in the thermos.

Your plight has touched me deeply. I think we should try to get as many Canadians as possible to send you as much ice as they can. This way you can build an ice shelf to serve your drinks on. that will keep them nice and cold for you.

The substance with the greatest volumetric specific heat capacity is water (and it's only just beaten by ammonia for greatest specific heat capacity per unit mass).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_heat#Table_of_specific_heat_capacities

Latent heat is the energy needed for or used for a state change (melting/freezing boiling/condensing). I'm not aware of anything better (for this application) than water: so your best non melting ice cubes are plastic cubes filled with water (or brine to get the phase change slightly below zero).

I was going to say that the vapourisation state change is out of the question for this application, but, on second thoughts:-

If you gave a bottle of coke a few blasts with this it would get the temperature down PDQ.

If I understand you correctly then, a 1 inch cube of water would lower the temperature of a glass of water more than the same size cube of steel would, if both cubes were brought to a temperature of 0 degrees F?

It's getting a bit tricky, but as long as the glass of water starts at a temperature far enough above freezing point then yes. (I'm assuming steel is similar to iron)

The volumetric heat capacity of water is 4.18 J/cm³.°C

Whereas the volumetric heat capacity of iron is 3.54 J/cm³.°C

Unfortunately the volumetric heat capacity of ice is only 1.94 J/cm³.°C

So iron wins from 0°F to 32°F

However the specific latent heat of melting ice/water is 333 J/g (a bit complicated here but a cm³ of water weighs a gram and ice isn't much different).

So from ice at 32°F to water at 32°F the ice/water beats the hell out of the iron.

Thank you Randall. Please disregard my post #50. Instead, bring your own dry ice.