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HT vs LT Motors

01/27/2011 12:37 AM

How is energy being saved in HT (High Tension/Voltage) motors? As we know power consumed by a motor is 1.732 x V x I x power factor. If we reduce the current by employing HT motor then on the same time we are increasing the voltage factor. Thus the product of voltage and current will remain same. Then how energy is being saved in HT motors? Please reply by giving some example or comparison.

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Re: HT vs LT motors

01/27/2011 3:19 AM

The losses in the feeder cables are lower, the lower the current that flows in them, which may be significant for larger loads.

That is why power is transmitted long distances at high voltage and reduced to more manageable voltages at the points of use.

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Re: HT vs LT motors

01/27/2011 4:12 AM

Dear Guest, calculate load current for two motors for two terminal voltage (415V and 6.6KV) you will get answer yourself.

1. 10 KW

2. 1000 KW

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01/27/2011 7:24 AM

Eeerr…. A 1000KW motor is a 1000KW motor, whatever the voltage

415V = 1391A

6.6KV = 87.4A

OK there's the losses to take in to account and additional insulation.

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01/27/2011 7:57 AM

Half efforts gives quarter result,....:)

Do the calculation for 10 KW for two voltage.

This remaining half effort would give 3/4 of result.

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Re: HT vs LT motors

01/27/2011 8:09 AM

You've confused me.

10KW @ 6.6KV = .87A

10KW @ 415V = 14A

Same amount of effort going in ? ? ? ? ?

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Re: HT vs LT Motors

01/27/2011 10:12 AM

Imagine a motor of 220V with winding resistance R. Use the same amount of copper to make a motor at 440V (with double the turns). The wire cross-section is halved and the length is doubled. So the resistance is 4R. But the current is half, so the voltage drop is only twice and the watts lost at half the current is the same as the 220V motor.

So it is the reduced loss in the feed cables which saves energy. Compare a 115V circuit at 1 amp with a cable giving 2.3 Volts drop, with a 230V circuit carrying 1 amp you get twice the power transferred by the same cable for the same loss in the cable - and you get 99% of the source voltage at the load rather than 98%!

There is another effect when you want a high power motor. If the cable diameter is doubled, there is 4 times the cross section. On might expect 4 times the current, but the surface area was only doubled with copper losses 4 times as much - so the cable gets much hotter. This is bad for losses, because resistance increases with temperature - but a higher insulation temperature is intolerable. Even for open wires on overhead lines, the useful maximum diameter corresponds to about 1000 amp, any higher current and multiple conductors, usually 2 or 4 are used. 1000 amps at 415 volts 3 phase is 719 kW, it is not a surprise that higher voltages are used for motors of that power.

If you think of inside a motor, it is necessary to parallel conductors to use high currents, but this soon leads to an intolerable lead-out wire & terminal problem. It is much more practical to put the copper into more turns using a higher voltage and bring out just one cable - it works out more efficient too because there is less wasted space.

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01/28/2011 2:43 PM

In addition, you also have at least one less transformer to go through for HT motors. Each one of these has it's own I^2 R losses.

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01/27/2011 10:28 PM

THIS IS THE ENERGY SAVED IN

.REDUCED I(SQUARE)t loss for the motor and the cables as well,and better efficiency as noload losses are less than 1%in HT motors and in LT motor this is around 4%.

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01/29/2011 9:06 AM

Power is power anywhere. The energy loss reduction is % small, but installation and maintanace cost will be significantly different. It is possible that for certain particular instalation the cost will be the same for both sollutions.

For HT equipment and cables are of low corrent capacity but need special cares on insulation and safety.

For LT instalation is simplified, but you will need equipment and cables for high current levels, wich afects safety to.

You have to consider the overall facility needs. Consider energy availability, room space for transformers, cables, safety, manuover possibilitys, and so on.

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01/29/2011 8:52 PM

While higher voltage permits you to use smaller conductors for the same output power, there are other losses that come into play. Higher voltages in AC circuits in crease losses though induction and capacitance.

So you may actually (will?)pay for more kW!

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01/30/2011 7:14 AM

Dear Guest,

For the given Power if the Voltage is high means the Current will be low, as it is inversely proportional. Therefore the I^2xR Lossess will come down, hence the heating effect on the winding will come down.

For Example for 1000 kVA set, for 420 Volts, the Current will be 1099 Amps, and if the Voltage is 11000, the current will be 41.96 Amps. You can calculate the I^2xR Loss.

Further, the Cross Section of the winding of Alternator will come down, hence the size of the Alternator will come down. But the Insulation has to be taken care for 11000 Volts.

DHAYANANDHAN.S., INDIA.

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Re: HT vs LT Motors

05/05/2015 5:40 AM

Yes , I agree with KalbBR, there will be more initial investment is required for High Voltage installation. Let me know still there will be saving by using higher voltage Motor/ DG set( 11kV) compare to 415V.

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