Previous in Forum: Depth of Penetration Measurement for Flair Bevel Welds   Next in Forum: Recycling Fiberglass
Close
Close
Close
5 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Anonymous Poster

Optimal Pressure and Temperature to Cure Thermoset Adhesives?

02/03/2011 3:15 PM

Hello,

I am currently working on a project in which I am to redesign the application of an adhesive to a thermoset polymer (EPDM, BUTYL, SBRL, CR, etc.. some others).

There are currently two types of adhesives being used, a silicone based and an organic based adhesive.

The adhesive is applied, and a pressure and temperature increase is applied to the bond to vulcanize the bond.

My question is: What are the properties to consider in determining an ideal pressure and temperature (and time to hold the bond under these conditions) for vulcanizing the bond? Also, is there much known mathematics in this area? or any solid references to help determine such numbers?

Thanks!

Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - Don't Know What Made The Old Title Attractive... Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - 60 Year Member

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Yellowstone Valley, in Big Sky Country
Posts: 7425
Good Answers: 295
#1

Re: Optimal pressure and temperature to cure thermoset adhesives?

02/03/2011 3:26 PM

A few questions to start us off:

You are to "...redesign the application of an adhesive..." because... why?

Is it desired to cure faster? Less adhesive, but equal bond strength? More chemical resistant? An undefined 'better' way to do it?

__________________
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
Reply
Anonymous Poster
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Optimal pressure and temperature to cure thermoset adhesives?

02/03/2011 3:35 PM

Sorry, I am trying to not violate any confidentiality of the project so forgive me for lack of some details.

The process is currently manual, and thus the results of the bond strength are varied.

I am trying to automate the process, and am trying to find out if the current method is applying excess pressure or temperature. In other words, given the adhesives we use, I want to design an optimal pressure and temperature application that is automated rather than manual.

So no physical improvement other than consistency improvement.

Thanks for quick response though!

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#3

Re: Optimal pressure and temperature to cure thermoset adhesives?

02/03/2011 3:36 PM

Read the instructions on the container. Depending on the chemistry involved, the cure time and temperature can vary.

As a general rule thin bond lines are preferred, so enough pressure to squeeze out excess adhesive is all that's required.

Cure times will vary depending on relative humidity (for silicones) and temperature.

Read, and follow, the directions on the container.

Unless you are a polymer chemist, the math won't mean anything to you.

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Moses Lake, WA, USA, Thulcandra - The Silent Planet (C.S. Lewis)
Posts: 4216
Good Answers: 194
#4

Re: Optimal Pressure and Temperature to Cure Thermoset Adhesives?

02/03/2011 3:40 PM

There are an incredible number of variations/formulations and properties of even a single type of adhesive.

Therefore, contact manufacturers of the types of adhesives you have in mind. They will know the conditions necessary or allowable to cure their own adhesives.

If this is a hot-melt adhesive, knowing softening temp will be critical. However, even with this information, you will need to do some experimenting with your own equipment to get the optimum temp/pressure combo.

__________________
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." - Ayn Rand
Reply
Member

Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 8
#5

Re: Optimal Pressure and Temperature to Cure Thermoset Adhesives?

07/24/2011 7:18 AM

with our uvc treatment the materials can be easy bonded ithoutprimer,vocfree and no curing.under w3 dot tackservice add aol dot com you can contact me and find more

Reply
Reply to Forum Thread 5 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (1); Doorman (1); emil (1); lyn (1); Mikerho (1)

Previous in Forum: Depth of Penetration Measurement for Flair Bevel Welds   Next in Forum: Recycling Fiberglass

Advertisement