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Eddy Current Testing

03/01/2011 2:42 AM

Hi , can anyone tell me is is possible to separate overheated forgings having grain size of 1-2 ASTM from the better lot which is having grain size of 5-7 ASTM with the help of eddy current tester.

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Re: eddy current testing

03/01/2011 2:55 AM

Rate of change in resistivity with grain size is a deciding factor, Do you have any resistivity of grain size graph? If yes please post it,

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Re: eddy current testing

03/01/2011 11:53 PM

no such data is available, is there any other way out

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Re: Eddy Current Testing

03/02/2011 12:35 AM

Did you try an eddy current tester that can measure with 2 probes the difference of 2 samples?

Verx likely the overheated is a little bit higher in resistivity and in magnetic hysteresis (as being partially oxidised).

But only with an instrument that can directly compare two samples - and one should be a good one - you likely will be successful.

I have no direct information but an estimate is that you are searching for a very small effect, below 0.1%, so a measurement sample by sample needs an awful accuracy to be meaningful. But with a difference measurement (near zero output signal with 2 good samples) you can push up the amplifcation and thus see much better what happened.

Detecting for magnetic hysteresis may be possible too but need a different instrument with direct (0° phase) and quadrature output (90° phase).

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Re: Eddy Current Testing

03/02/2011 1:25 AM

thanks for the inforamtion

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03/02/2011 2:57 AM

Good answer as usual RHABE,

The only thing I could add is to independently verify your results by other methods such as visual appearance, sound when struck or otherwise sonically excited, ultrasound, Xrays etc then cutting the samples that appear suspicious and a few that seem good and etching them to reveal grain structure. You will need statistically significant quantities.

If diagnostics above visual and physical and resistance / simple inductance are too expensive, just cut more samples.

For resistance and inductance tests decide on consistent test points and methods of injecting physical current / measuring voltage and resonance. To overcome small variations try and overwhelm the differences with strong amounts of current. For inductance tests try and fiddle around with frequencies. With luck you may find a sweet spot that gives a pass / fail point. Finally ensure you account for temperature and temperature rise.

Please report back.

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Re: Eddy Current Testing

03/02/2011 7:52 AM

thanks , we had tried to use ultrasonic but could not get satifactory results that is why now we are thinking of using eddy current. will add more information later after conducting more trials.

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03/02/2011 4:40 AM

@ Rhabe, Thanks for your constructive and clarifying comments, now and in the past. GA from me.

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