Increasing Speed Gearboxes

So basically what you are saying is you want investors but should an investor come along who is wise enough to require a tangible product or at least a solid conceptual design to show what it is they are investing is real its a no deal situation. That stinks of standard low level a mature scam tactics to me.

I am not surprised really being you could not give out the simplest of basic information including such as the input speed in RPM's of your device, the input torque in any recognized mechanical unit of measure, the relating output RPM's other than you want to go from around 3.5 RPM to 20,000 RPM, and again absolutely no reference to what torque output your device supposedly produces other than it easily brakes toy gearbox shafts and lastly I asked several times for the name of what power plant you worked at and that too never once got addressed as well.

In the end if it is a leverage based device I have suspicions its a crankshaft or camshaft that moves a lever or combination of levers to increase mechanical advantage to produce rotational torque on a shaft by means of some form of ratcheting or one way clutch system. Basically it trades crankshaft speed for torque and due to its massive leverage advantage it can produce loads of it but unfortunately it does it at nearly unusable RPM levels hence the need for a massive gearbox to reconvert that super high torque very low RPM speed back into a usable range again.

In the end I have more suspicions that you are a probably a poorly educated or horribly miss educated individual or that you have some level of mental limitations that do not allow you to grasp what most people can see to be flawed logic at best. To top it all off oddly enough what ever it is instead gives you an unhealthy level of superior feeling despite your obvious limited knowledge and understandings of what are very basic physical mechanical force interaction principals.

Believe what you want but I have serious doubts that you will ever get rich off this let alone make it to even your local news or change the world with your device. So from someone who also wants to change the world for the better I can honestly tell you that if you want to be taken seriously as a designer and creator of alternative energy devices you have to put out first or get out because no one in their right mind will ever spend money on someones idea with out real tangible evidence to support the claims behind it.

I work with wind power and AE devices I have created myself including fully functional home built grid tie inverters and I have a reputation for my skills because I openly share the basic information behind the stuff I work with and create. I know what power there is in the wind and I know how to convert it into usable forms of power that I and anyone else can use.

We are up around post 100+ now and I too am signing this one off at this point as well. I had enough.

Tcmtech that was a real outburst of total baloney. You have clocked out and will not read this . The mature scam that you accuse me of is also baloney. I have not asked you for one red cent and I have not asked you to invest without me obtaining a full patent or until you have fully appraised my invention. You have a very short fuss wire and kick off at the first thing that upsets you. Like one of your fellow mates said, they have all sent me to Coventry and you are the last man standing. The solid conceptional design that you speak of is perfectly tangible, so why are you going on about it? I have stated a dozen times that I cannot reveal this power force. I have got the most important/outstanding power on God's earth and I cannot just disclose it across the globe without security.All I asked you people was how to tame this power to the best mechanical advantage, I did not want you to all judge the driving force or how it gets to the gearbox.Your diagnosis of the device has a lot going for it. What is unhealthy about my superior feeling? I am the person holding an invention that will change the world. I have a right to be superior. Wouldn't you like to be in my shoes? I am pleased that you know how to convert the wind into usable forms of power but you are only using a tiny portion of it. If you know what I know you would be dancing in the street. You engineers are looking for complicated ways of solving problems but simpletons like me dodge under all that rubbish and see the basics of physics and once in every century people like me, without qualifications hit the jackpot.Of course you are annoyed that I have only threw out a bit of bait,but not enough to let you into this mistery power but settle down and stop getting so mad. I know you will return to this site for my answer so thanks for your comments and good luck with converting your wind energy. I have a thousand times more of it than you. I am so lucky. Love Joe.

Joe - as you are not seeming to understand - I think I may start a new thread to demonstrate how to gain useful feed back from CR4. [and possibly a few other things about engineers]

When/if up, I will send you the link via PM

34point 5. This is my first time on the net conversing with the regular inmates . I was born in the back streets of Dudley in the UK so we havn't got the proverbial plum in ones gob. I am being very subdued and respectful to these lovely people but I must admit I tend to rub them up the wrong way,which is not ones intention.The engineers that I have already met on this thread seem very touchy and kick off at the drop of a hat. They need to chill out and enjoy life a little more. So I will look forward to learning a bit more about engineers once your site takes off.You must be indicating to me that I would get more feed back if my attitude changed. I think you could be right. From now on I shall take whatever they throw at me without one cross word. Love Joe.

All that's 'rubbing them/me the wrong way' is giving words - not numbers - when only numbers will let them/me help you. It's been a frustrating 100+ posts for them/me.

34point 5, I know I am pretty exhausted. Surely, before you clock out, can't you just admit that without building a full size plant there is no way that I can give out any numbers. It would be like the man who designed one of those gigantic windmills using a toy windmill to work out the torque. It just is not practical. I will rest my case now and thanks for your input. Perhaps CR4 will score me another point for this comment being off topic. PS. I promise to put you all out of your frustration once things click together, in the meantime thanks a billion for all of your inputs. Love and kisses. Joe.

Goodbye

Oy Cobba, what you throwing the towel in for mate. Don't you wanna be my Rep in Australia? Your'e not selling them silly solar panels that they are nailing to your rooves out there, are you. Please come back and tell me what has upset you. You have been the nicest man on the blog so why the sudden goodbye? If you talk about the problem I will get to the bottom of it for you. I am going to need a bunch of sales engineers down your way and you can be in charge of them. You are not" just an engineer" to me you are one of the team that have stood by me.Come back mate, things can't be that bad. Love Joe.

"can't you just admit that without building a full size plant there is no way that I can give out any numbers. It would be like the man who designed one of those gigantic windmills using a toy windmill to work out the torque. It just is not practical."

Its simple well defined math based on relative theoretical scaling nothing more.

Given these basic formulas of [746 watts equals 1 Horsepower], [(torque * RPM) / 5252 = horsepower], and [∏R²(Pi radius squared)] the relative theoretical scaling numbers can easily be factored out.

Say I have a 6 foot diameter wind turbine that produces 600 watts at a 600 RPM speed. That means it is producing, (600/746) * (5252/600) = 5.66 foot pounds of torque at 600 RPM.

Scale that up to a 200 foot diameter unit and expect around,

600 watts divided by the swept area of a 6 foot rotor is, ∏3² = 28.27 square feet or 600 watts divided by 28.27 equals 21.22 watts per square foot.

A 200 foot rotor would have swept area of (∏100² =) 31416 square feet of swept area on a 200 foot turbine. At the given 21.22 watts per square foot value fond on the 6 foot prototype the 200 foot unit should produce around (31416 * 21.22) = 666646 watts.

The 6 foot prototype also ran at 600 RPM's so from that a tip speed ratio of 1:1 for a 200 foot rotor would be (6/200) * 600 = 18 RPM. At 18 RPM 666646 watts produces, 666646/746 = 894 Horsepower. 894 horsepower produces, (5252/18) * 894 = 260851.3 foot pounds of torque at 18 RPM.

A Perfectly scalable mathematical proof using basic 8th grade or lower math.

For someone who claims to have discovered the "obvious" you seem to be continually failing miserably at applying it! Thats why we are all getting pissed off with you. You claim superior knowledge and understanding of physics and science yet fail miserably to ever produce even the most basic levels of estimation type calculations to back up your claims. This is why we have doubts or at least I do.

Yes I came back but just because the ever so painfully obvious was at stake here.

And for the last time what power plant did you work at that supposedly uses a 20,000 RPM turbine system? That question doesn't even have math or estimations related to or in it so it should be easy to answer.

Welcome back Tcmtech, You lost me on the first equation mate.I have never claimed to be a physics wizard like you are claiming. If you claim that the figures that you have quoted are correct then who am I to argue? You are the expert and it is your job to know how to work these figurers out.I admire you for this but I did not take any numbers from the scale model,I simply needed to see if my intellectual property would achieve what I wanted it to.I did not need a BSc to work out that the power gain was awesome.If you read back about 30 blogs ago,you will see that I told you the power station,and told you about the 20,000 RPM turbine. I have lost them on my PC I can only get back to blog 98 for some reason. However, It was the EMEB> East Midlands Electricity Board,now demolished. Like I said I was a fabricator welder and did not count the RPM's that the turbines were going, but I believed the man that was caring for them. I do not know the Mega watts they were producing, The turbines did not have a gear box that was visible. The turbines were in glass type cases and looked about 8feet long X4Feet wide and stood about waist high.I recall that when the bells sounded and red lights started to flash we all had to run and light up a new chain grate fire. It took approx half an hour for the turbine to kick in. I see 3,000rpm machines every day and in comparison they are standing still if they were alongside these turbines.They were as you say 50Hz. Again don,t blame me for this number I am only the carrier pigeon.i am sorry that they have closed the place down and you have no way of checking my story,I don't even know where they have move to. Most of our Country has closed it's industries down and we are fast becoming a third world country,this is why I have tried to involve our Government in my project. They havn't even bothered to write back and ask me what this power house is. Like the rest they care only for themselves.Oh well, at least you were the last man standing. Take care of yourself. Love Joe.

So you claim to have this device that does so much yet you have done absolutely no quantitative testing or measuring to validate it supposed abilities and to top it off the most basic math required to do such validation work left you far behind as well?

I have serious doubts that we are dealing with a person of superior knowledge and understanding mechanical stuff. Perhaps a 3/4 baked hippie but not a master of mechanics by any definition.

I suggest putting down the weed and picking up a few good basic physics, mechanical engineering, and electrical fundamentals books and do yourself and the world a favor by spending a few weeks learning how to do the measuring and math you need to do before you bother showing your device off to the rest of the world.

Lastly power your device with a small electric motor and see of it can turn your alternator at a slower RPM than 20,000. Then measure your motors electrical power usage and the generators output power and see if you get more out than in.

After that connect your motor directly to your alternator and see how much power you get out. If after going through your device and gearbox the alternators power output is less than that of when its driven directly then you are losing energy along the way not producing it.

Amps times Volts equals Watts and that can be measured with a cheap digital multimeter. If your output is less than the input all the wind in the world wont help you either.

Once again, you have no idea at all of what you are talking about. But the rest of us can wait with bated breath for your announcement within a few weeks. You are going to be hugely disappointed in the results of your device, whatever it is. I, for one, would not invest so much as a plugged nickel into this impending fiasco.

You seem thoroughly unable to calculate even the simplest things, much less the air flow area at 2 mph that it would take to produce 2 MW (no matter how you funnel, channel, or otherwise shape the flow).

Hi Tornado, Sorry about saying you were the "Head Doctors" mate. I suggest you get your nickel un"plugged",you, to are going to self harm yourself when you see that this idea is staring you in the face and you havn't got the gumption to put it together.You are all shouting the device down without one ounce of knowledge as to how it can multiply the power of the wind, prior to it going through the existing baby gearboxes that non of your calculations can stop the shafts snapping on. This impending fiasco will soon be lighting the world up. Every square inch of it will be lit day and night from unpolluted free energy that is God given. God said," let there be light and there was light", not to mention the HEAT.President Obhama hasn't blogged me yet, I hope he is reading these posts, I need to get someone with some interest to get this project underway. Love Joe.

"I am the brains behind the idea"

That is the problem. I discussed with a friend who is "brain doctor" and let him read your different answers. He said that you have a real problem and that you could become harmful to your self when you will see that nothing goes as your "brain" expects. Please be careful. It would be better not to write any more on CR4 since according to his opinion your reaction accelerates due to more rejection of your ideas. Take care of yourself, I presume that you have a family and they need you still.

Hi Nick Name, Sorry mate I did not check on who's mate the "Head Doctor" was ,I said it was Tornado's in Tcmtechs blog. I think it is he that needs his head looking at and not me. I have no doubts in the world of the ability of my device to bring me and my family out of the gutter. The only thing that can stop it is people and slide rules.The Naysayers will be the ones needing an appointment to sort their heads out once they clap eyes on my farm in action. No birds being minced up, the bats can live in peace, no nutters going mad from the noise. No taxpayers being fleeced to finance them, and above all no more pollution on this planet.I have heard the news with regard the Tsnammy in Japan, my heart goes out to these people. This is what man is doing to our world with all the crap that we are injecting into it.I am reffering to atomic waste,but that is a sore subject that is best left alone at this time.On the lighter side I don't see me having to self harm myself in the coming weeks. Obviously I may kick my dog but I am made of tuff stuff and will simply get my head down and show enough people the potential of the device and the rest will be history. This internet is second to only my invention. I can reach every farmer across the globe. A school child could build one of these. You will be hoping mad when I show you the basic laws of the LEVER.You may be the one to do the self harming. Love Joe.

The "laws of the lever" are not going to help you. You are ignoring half of them, and I am afraid you are about to be bitten. Levers can multiply force at the expense of distance, or vice versa. But they do not multiply power, because force and power are not the same thing.

Spinning or not spinning the blades weigh the same.

I am not sure if engineers even use slide rules any more to be honest. I have a $250 calculator that does so much more and is so much easier to work complex calculations with.

So whats wrong with using 500 cubic meters of concrete? Ever calculate how many cubic meters go into a single Km of concrete roadway? Or a modern high rise building? The point is 500 cubic meters is not really a lot compared to everything else that uses concrete but you wouldn't know being you don't do basic math being its below you.

When I get around to pouring the floor for my shop and the foundations for my new house I hope to start on this summer I will be using over 10% of that 500 cubic meter volume just for my personal need to have something to park my junk on!