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Which is the Right Photo Sensor for an Application

03/18/2011 6:34 AM

We have a box making machine in our Corrugator plant. I want to install a photo-eye to detect the sheet for counting purpose but problem is that the the place where I want to install the sensor is narrow. There are two rotating rolls and between them there is only 2" gape. The sensor would be installed over these rolls.

I installed a photo-eye at that place and see that the beam of sensor spreads and crosses 2" distance and thus sensor senses the rotating roll and permanently ON while it must sense the sheet under the rolls. For me there should be a sensor with laser type beam so that its beam must not detect the rolls but don't know if these type of sensor are available or not.

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Re: Which is the Right Photo Sensor for an application

03/18/2011 6:51 AM

Keyence do a huge range of opto-switches, some with fibre optic light guides with lenses to get into very tight corners. The also have laser types. A bit costly, but very good.

I'm sure that they have something suitable.

http://www.keyence.co.uk/

They have offices worldwide.

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03/18/2011 8:13 AM

Your sensor uses an emitter-receiver pair. I'll assume that the emitter is an LED and the receiver is the photosensor itself. I'll bet your problem is the emitter LED beam spread is too wide and some of the light shines into the adjacent rollers. You need a simple collimator to ensure the light from the LED only reaches the sensor, and likewise that the sensor only sees the LED.

Take 2 pieces of thin-walled aluminum tubing that you can slip over the ends of both the receiver and the emitter. The tubing should extend outward from the LED and sensor as far as possible without getting in the way of the cardboard as it moves. Both pieces should fit snugly. Before installing the tubing permanently, lightly sand the inside and outside of the tubes, then spray paint them with a good optical-quality flat black paint. The black paint will absorb unwanted scattered light. Then install the tubes, bonding each in place with a good epoxy or using hardware if there is a means of attaching it with screws or some type of fasteners.

You might have to experiment with aligning the tubes a bit to get them collimated, but it should be possible to do this so that the LED light shines only onto the receiver and so that the receiver only sees the LED. Something like this:

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03/18/2011 10:45 AM

JohnDG is correct. Go to Keyence and get the properly designed unit to do the job. Trying to make covers to Shadow the light from emitter to receiver is not the best way to do this.

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Re: Which is the Right Photo Sensor for an Application

03/18/2011 11:39 AM

@fixitorelse Why not?? It might be quicker and much cheaper to make a simple mod to what he has than having to buy new components. If my suggestion doesn't work, then he can buy the new laser diode emitter/receiver pair. He can also consider my suggestion below:

@Signode, If the rollers are shiny and if there isn't a lot of room for the tubes, you could also just try painting the adjacent rollers with a flat black epoxy paint. Be sure the rollers are thoroughly cleaned first, and you should sand the surfaces slightly to minimize any grazing-angle reflection. The black paint will reduce the reflection off the rollers. An epoxy paint will stand up fairly well to the wear and tear of the cardboard moving over the rollers, though it may require an occasional touch-up. If you're not sure this will work, just try a good-quality flat black paint first and see what results you get.

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Re: Which is the Right Photo Sensor for an Application

03/18/2011 4:21 PM

try the following sensor, telemec. xul m06031h60, set your sensing range and it will not sense anyting out of the range.(in front of or behind that range)

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