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Estimate of Fees for Structural Inspection

03/25/2011 12:49 PM

We suffered a burst pipe in the condo building recently and while removing the damaged drywall our contractor discovered that a previous "renovation" effected by parties unknown had compromised a support wall. Now of course there will be a fight between the Condo Association and the unit owner over who is going to pay for the repairs. As the unit owner is denying that there is even a problem to begin with the Condo board will bring in a qualified structural engineer to assess the situation. We also know that the same type of "renovation" has been done in a few other units so we would like the engineer to look at all units that have been altered since the builing was built. My question is roughly what will it cost us to have a 42 year old, wood frame, 3 story, 27 unit building inspected by a qualified structural engineer? We will be looking at alterations done to interior walls (that turned out to be load bearing) to determine if the alterations compromised the load bearing ability.

I'll explain exactly what was done in the unit where we have the wall open right now. The wall had 3 heavy 2"x6" beams making up the top which ran across the entire unit supported by the usual 2"x4"s. This wall divided the kitchen from the living room. To obtain a more modern "open" concept the owner wanted a window or opening in this wall. this should not be a problem if he had left that top beam untouched and provided more than just single 2 x 4s for support at each side of the opening. Or so my contractor tells me. However the open concept was not enough for this particular owner, he wanted recessed lights in the top of his new "window". No room for them with those pesky thick 2 x 6 planks in the way. So he cut those out above his window! No he did not provide any additional support to replace those beams. In fact the 2x4s he did put in to frame out his window are not even under the beam they are simply nailed to the end of it. Needless to say we now know why the floor in the unit above has an interesting dip in it. By the way this wall is on ground floor! There are two upper stories resting on this now. People should leave DIY projects to single family detached dwellings. Now all the owners in the condo association are going to bear the cost of this stupidy. I'm no engineer or even carpenter, but even I knew this was wrong as soon as I saw it. I'm not an electricien either so i wont go into the details of how he wired his recessed lights.

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03/25/2011 1:21 PM

Around here condo associations want to approve everything. You can't do anything with out them being on your case. Did they approve this change? If they did they should be held responsible for the repairs as they did not insure it was done to code. If not the association should have the info on the previous owner. There is always documents signed for the membership into the association when the residence is purchased. There maybe something in there to hold the previous owner accountable.

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Re: Estimate of Fees for Structural Inspection

03/26/2011 12:43 AM

Here is a basic rate schedule that might help you get started:

Skill Description

Personnel

Personnel

Personnel

Personnel

Personnel Personnel

Expat U.S.

U.S.

S. America

E.U.

Asia

Japan

Day Rate

Day Rate

Per hour

Per hour

Per hour

Per hour

Per hour

U.S.

Worldwide

Consultants

95.00

85.00

88.00

74.00

130.00

760.00

950.00

Consultant Electrical

95.00

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

760.00

950.00

Lead Auditor/ISO9001

85.00

75.00

78.00

64.00

110.00

680.00

850.00

Auditor

59.00

64.50

65.75

54.50

101.00

472.00

590.00

Sr. Quality Eng.

85.00

75.00

78.00

64.00

110.00

680.00

850.00

Of course, expenses are additional.

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03/26/2011 8:06 AM

That was hard to understand. It needed to be in adjacent rather than concatenated columns.

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03/26/2011 8:32 AM

It was when I embedded it. It will not post any other way

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03/26/2011 11:10 AM

It was when I embedded it. It will not post any other way

Suggestion: when you have the data on the screen, do a "print screen" function, paste the screen image into Irfanview or other graphic application, select the data of interest, save it as a JPG then insert the saved JPG.

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03/26/2011 11:33 AM

Skill Description Personnel Personnel Personnel Personnel Personnel Personnel Personnel Expat U.S. U.S. S. America E.U. Asia Japan /hour /hour /hour /hour /hour /Day /Day Consultants 95 85 88 74 130 760 950 Consult. Electr. 95 N/A N/A N/A N/A 760 950 Lead Auditor/ISO9001 85 75 78 64 110 680 850 Auditor 59 64.5 65.75 54.5 101 472 590 Sr. Quality Eng. 85 75 78 64 110 680 850 Does it look as the original table ? If not correct

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03/26/2011 1:05 PM

Apothicus,

Would it be fair to say that you are looking for an inspection by an engineer practicing in the City of Edmonton, Alberta? There are plenty of firms there, so why not simply call and ask for an estimate?

It would help if you have the original drawings.

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03/26/2011 2:19 PM

You have that correct. Another board member is in charge of getting the quotes I was just looking for a ballpark figure so when the person comes back with a number 5 times higher I know we are about to be taken for another ride.

Certain people here have a history of hiring friends or relatives at huge prices and getting the condo owners to pay.

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03/26/2011 5:10 PM

I would expect a structural engineer in Edmonton to charge between $150 and $200 per hour for his time and between $60 and $100 for support staff. On the basis of the information provided, I don't know how much time would be involved, so after he has viewed the work to be done, the Condo Board should ask for an estimate and an upset price for consulting fees, barring any unforeseen surprises.

It is not realistic to expect the engineer to find hidden problems, although it might not be a bad idea to have him give the building a visual inspection in case something has escaped your notice.

If you already have your contractor selected, it is a good idea to have him accompany the engineer during the damage survey.

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03/27/2011 2:42 AM

Thank you, thats the general info I was after. Was wondering will our cost be 1000.00 or 10,000.00 kind of thing. At that kind of rate we can have him check all the units we know were altered and a few others just to be safe.

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