Roger Pinks Blog

Thank you for commenting. What I said in post 9 (now disappeared) might have been a bit tangential, but I don't think it was very far OT, nor uncomplimentary. I don't get the motivation for pruning so many posts (others have noted 12→5 thus far).

This is too bad, really, because the blog is on a subject I find interesting. I haven't studied it in Roger's detail, but I am somewhat conversant with the issues and history. The censorship is distressing, as several others have also remarked. I hope the deleted posts can be restored. If Roger doesn't like them, he should refute them (or ignore them) rather than obliterate them.

I can understand Roger being a bit leery of 'tangents' after Anti-science.

I wouldn't be surprised the 'new approach' is based in; if you leave something to be read (OT or not) the 'tangent might take over' the thread.

Bear in mind it was the 'tangent' that got 'out of hand' - not the actual OP content.

However; "You will discuss it my way - or not at all", is an attitude I've always found irksome and counterproductive, from education through to upper management.

If I can, I simply walk away from it, as such people are not interested in evolving their position, just in telling you how wonderful theirs is (which was usually "last revised" on the day it was formulated)

signed

Penguin # XXXIV et media

The deleted posts are gone for good

It would be hard to allow bloggers editorial control & limit it at the same time

CR4 hasn't shown any inclination to devote significant programing resources [Magaulin] to improving the various technical aspects of of our beloved little goat rodeo....

Wow! I am surprised this post has survived to be read this long.

The censorship in CR4 has been unchecked and completely dominant for a long time. Those in opposition previously have quickly grown tired of having commentary removed, screen names banned, or restrictions on comments.

I have had numerous comments removed and I currently can only make 2 comments per 24 hour period and cannot rate comments as GA or OT.

Thank you. I hope this leads to a CR4 in which criticism of ideas and rebuttal to criticism is viewed as necessary component of validating and strengthening ideas.

Flee to Me reMote elF

Well it's not that bad really. Roger has all the right in the world to do a bit of blog hygiene, nothing wrong with that. It's just the patronizing bit that got me going and spending some time to react and then not to be able to post.

I have had threads were, for a while, things got off track but in the end it was a satisfactory time to be had, by all in the end. Maybe I am overreacting to the ivory tower syndrome, for lack of a better word. This speaking from above and taking advantage of intimate details of certain subjects.

Like I said, once I had written my reply I thought it would be wasted if I not put my opinion out there. It would be much easier to be sitting together and having a fruitful discussion instead of bragging and censoring at the same time. Besides, this is not the first time that this reaction was caused.

It's a pity really, we could be playing golf, Ky.

Roger has fun on CR4, like a ten year old boy poised over an ant hill on a hot summer day with a magnifying glass in his hand.

I appreciate the learning that has come from all of the members here that have chosen to contribute and helped me to understand things I didn't.

I hope you feel the same. Call on me any time. My knowledge is limited, but what I know, I am happy to share.

I just noticed there was another thread regarding RP going on. Why stir if shaking brings a very similar result?

You know, I have a bit of information about what and why people learn and how. Many will be surprised that it has more to do with chemical processes than actual functioning of the brain, in a thought processing way. I might explain, if anyone is interested. Roger is busy doing it the old way and disregards new discoveries and tests that would come in handy for him to know about.

Waste not want not, Ky.

Re: Many will be surprised that it has more to do with chemical processes than actual functioning of the brain, in a thought processing way. I might explain, if anyone is interested.

I'm interested--you can explain or point me to a link. (It may be something I've heard before, but, atm, it doesn't ring a bell.)

Fear, brains and rock'n'roll: meet Joe LeDoux

Very interesting, I thought. It was a radio program and shows how "out of it" we really are when it comes to certain functions of our brains. Never mind the philosophy part.

I'm over it, Ky.

Re: Fear, brains and rock'n'roll: meet Joe LeDoux

That link is wrong, try:

Fear, brains and rock'n'roll: meet Joe LeDoux

And, it looks like a transcript will be available sometime on Wednesday for any who, like me, prefer to read rather than listen.

Yeah Kramer, like I said, I was in my studio and doing cool, calm and collected things. The radio is usually on as a sound curtain. After I picked up a few snippets I actually sat down and listened. At first it seemed all a bit half baked but then it got interesting, new, and down to earth although the title and the main objective was on a drug and its consequences on the modes of human (thinking) and animal behavior.

I am looking forward to the transcript my self, just to make sure I understood correctly. I have to discuss an 87 page business plan of mine with some interested parties today. Phone conference, no other choice. How are they going to see my arms and legs waving about while making clarifications?

It's a real world and its trappings that can be confusing, not only some blog that was still born and had to be put on life support from the word go. This is a good place to be for serendipity, Ky.

'Well it not all that bad really'. That may be easy for you to say. I had to wait 24 hours to say anything in reply. This occured after Roger came to the 'aid' of another blogger who had incorrectly stated that 'LEDs do not produce ultraviolet light, and will not attract insects'.

Evidence of LED's producing ultraviolet light as well as reports of problems with insects at certain LED installations was viewed as an attack, and was removed.

Roger posted a graph of one particular LED that shOwed a spectrum that declined approaching the UV spectrum, but did not cover anything below 400nm.

My guess is that the blog was intended as a way to cozy up to new vendors who would profit from replacement LED lighting. That is just hindsight conjecture on my part.

The part that bothers me is that in a blog, we get a sense that information is reasonably reliable as it is subject to disagreement and criticism, and rebuttal of such.

It is, at best, deceitful to maintain what appears to be discussions open to commentary from disinterested (not in the subject of course, just in the immediate fiscal sense) professionals, but actively suppressing and sensoring behind the scenes.

So, TY, while appearance suggest the problem is limited to only what you have encountered, be open to the idea that much more may be missing than is easily accounted.

Why do I return? Am I such a masochist? I just haven't found anything quite as engaging with such a large group of smart experienced professional. Phyorg.com and Newscientist are interesting but CR4 remains my favorite.

Fear eats soul and I fear nothing and nobody. I choose my friends carefully and will never open anything with Roger Pink on the title, ever again. It's a _{free world} so he can do as he pleases and with whomever he pleases to do it with, to or with what. As far as I am concerned he can go and do something really nice to his body.

My time and CR4 are too valuable to be wasted and spoiled by such display of arrogance and grandstanding on other peoples shoulders, ideas, philosophies or what have you. This is my schoolyard as well and I don't think I have done anything that could have me punished, by anyone.

Like I said, I'm over it. Kids just want to have fun so I might as well join them.

Don't you start that masochism thing with me , Ky.

I guess you missed it last year when buying GS ad space got you a complimentary blog

those went down in flames with in about a month

I missed that exchange about led's

I know where the report button is & I'm not afraid to push it, to make this a better site

I know where the report button is & I'm not afraid to push it, to make this a better site

Great stuff! At least you stand up for your self in full view of everybody. Who do you think you are? Some anonymous Obergauleiter? This is getting too silly, I'm gone.

But if anything that falls with in CR4 rules is acceptable on all blogs, then what is the point in giving editing and censoring handle to the blog owner?

There is only one blog owner that actually uses that capability.

It makes him feel powerful?

It really got strange when the blogger was getting on, saying that everyone was welcome, that he welcomed open, honest debate, etc., then turned around and deleted his own posts, along with all that he didn't like.

Things in CR4 are changing. And I am not sure for good.

For example I was advocate for the non-banning of guests. I am still, though they are banned unfortunately. While they were not I was here as first as member then continued as guest. Then after about 6 months hiatus came back to see the guests banned. Forcing me to again (unfortunately) log in. How it helped CR4 or its members I don't know, since my posts remained same. But then that is the CR4.

As you pointed out that CR4 is supposed to be a public place "for engineers for news and discussions"

And that should include all of it, including the blogs. Any one may have his/her own blog out of CR4 and do whatever they may like. But stifling the voice of opposition (what else can one call to a post which opposes the blogger's view?). I don't know is ethical on part of CR4.

Does it not reek of the parts of the world where google is banned/ censored?

After all if one wants only one's view, he can have his own diary (preferably old fashioned paper one) which no one would read and hence object. And in case one wants a bit of pat on back, the selected portions may be read to selected audience.

Once I remember this aspect was taken up in CR4 (If I am not wrong in feedback section) may be six months or so back. And one of the (then) new moderators mentioned that the blog owener should have free hand in keeping the posts or deleting in his/her blog.

I feel this is not cricket.

Either a blog should have no posts except that of blogger. Else both the voices must be heard and the obnoxious ones may be edited/deleted as is done in other threads by moderator, not the blogger. Afterall any one (including the blogger) may report and get the offending post reviewed. There is always a distinction (and it is not a thin line but a large space) between strong criticism and offence.

Unfortunately (I have come across this aspect personally too in several cases including in the scientific discoveries and quite a few others) RP is unable to make the distinction. I had advised it there too that the criticisms are on view points and not on person. But the point was not well taken then either (the only offshoot was that he moved to blog from the discussion threads)

So I would advise (as I do) since CR4 is unable to decide on its role to avoid the threads/blogs (after all, we do know the bloggers, or will know after spending few years in CR4). Let them live with their worshippers.

I really don't see this as a CR4 problem. CR4 works fine, as do all but one blog/blogger.

As far as the guest thing, there were a handful of guests that were taking advantage of their anonymous status and causing some real problems. Anyone can still post anonymously, the difference now is, that if someone is intentionally starting trouble, admin can identify them.

Hi

Many times misunderstandings can cause problems. Simple wrong interpretations. I once wished an Indian friend well and good luck and posted this:

He thought I was giving him the finger and reacted accordingly. I explained calmly and he understood. He apologized and I understood. Sometimes things get out of hand for the most innocent reasons. Keeping the diplomats hat on, at all times and in real life as well, is very important.

I can't remember the thread but I can remember a few were local understanding of certain words or terminologies have caused friction. I think this Roger Pink attention is caused by that. He is so engrossed in his ivory tower syndrome that he has lost touch with true reflection and sees it as a threat. I mean, he is definitely not Nietzsche incarnate, just a troubled and misguided young man.

Wish him well anyway, Ky.

There is a way to broach this entire subject on here...................respectfully.

Had I known that Roger was going to do such an excellent job at demonstrating his inability to get along with others, I wouldn't have started this thread.

ky, the reason I mark certain posts with an *, is so that our international friends don't take my meaning out of context. The last thing I want to do is unintentionally hurt someone's feelings.

We have much to learn from each other and I will start a new thread............or one of you guys can.

These two threads are good enough for me. I can talk, write way over my capacity and only I know.

Just good to be here, Ky.

To be fair to Roger, the reason you were unable to post your post, is that he was busy deleting other posts. The blog was shut down during this period............it wasn't personal.

Kramarat:

'I really don't see this as a CR4 problem'

That is the problem with supression and sensorship. It is difficult, even with first hand knowledge to know the expanse of the problem.

I can attest to the problem existing outside the bounds of Roger's blog. I have to wait 24 hours to make two comments (though occassionally I can get three in around midnight) anywhere on cr4, this is competely unrelated to Roger's blog, though probably not unrelated to Roger.

I still have at least a limited voice on here. How many others have been muted or have left in frustration, I do not know.

I respect your viewpoint and analysis (seen in comments) on a wide range of subjects as reliably valid, insightful, and interesting to read. For this reason, I am investing one of my two comments, in this request that you reconsider your viewpoint on this problem in CR4, being open to the idea that the absence of evidence (especially when considering suppression and censorship), is not the evidence of absence.

In hopes my comment does not make me all the more remote,

Flee to me remote elF

Flee,

I suspect your problem may be a bug associated with your browser and the new changes. Admin doesn't have the time or inclination to suppress your posts.

I have been a victim of this self imposed paranoia. If they saw you as a real problem, you would be gone. Why would they allow you two posts? This is a glitch, nothing more.

Mark's got a good point. Have you actually heard from Admin that you've been limited? (Don't answer that!). Are your PM's limited? If not, please PM me - I'll post your reply here.

If you haven't actually been slapped down, I suggest you e-mail cr4admin@globalspec.com for clarification.