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Is Appearance or Performance More Important in Vehicle Design?

04/15/2011 3:47 PM

A group of Canadian students designing a race car for a student competition were shut down by their University recently because one the team member's posed in a bikini and high heels next to their race car. (see full article here)

I don' think the University of Waterloo should have shut down the student because they did not like the looks of the vehicle. I think the vehicle looks fine, but it is really the performance of the race car that should have had a chance to be judged in the competition. According to the team's faculty advisor, the engineering student just wanted to see if she could be feminine and an engineer at the same time.

Do you think the University was too hard on the team?

What is more important in vehicle design - appearance or performance?

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Re: Is appearance or performance more important in vehicle design?

04/15/2011 3:53 PM

Is appearance or performance more important in vehicle design?

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04/15/2011 3:54 PM

What vehicle?

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04/15/2011 4:55 PM

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Re: Is appearance or performance more important in vehicle design?

04/15/2011 3:56 PM

The link posted does not work.

Within the article, is the rule infraction cited? Is it an accurate citation?

Or (as it seems you wish us to believe), was the team disqualified without cause?

"I think the vehicle looks fine..." What vehicle? There is no vehicle apparent in the image posted.

[edit] Oh, I see it now. It is hidden behind the model engineering student.

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04/15/2011 4:36 PM

The link provided was broken. I've provided another link.

If one reads the story I found you'll see that the technicality that the school is basing this disciplinary action, is that the photos were images of University property taken without permission. This is why the whole team (not just the lovely ladies) were suspended.

IMHO the real lesson these students should take from this incident is that the administration of your school does not care one iota if you improve yourself or your station in life. They only want your work and efforts to profit the school.

Hopefully the perennial alumni drive for funding will drop precipitously now that the ogres in administration have shown their true colors.

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04/15/2011 5:05 PM

Dean Sedra is quoted and cited as the source. Dean Sedra, from the position he holds, does not seem the type to make rash or unconsidered decisions. I agree with redfred, this seems (from the information available) to be a rather rash response to something that is not that big of an issue. "Racy Photos"? Have a look at a clothing store catalog, in particular the swimwear section. Girl in a bikini, big deal.

Can you tell us, AP#1, is this incident causing a ruckus? The articles given indicate all of the students have accepted the action.

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04/15/2011 4:39 PM
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04/15/2011 6:43 PM

Why do we have to compromise???

I propose designing something that has the best performance possible, wrapped in a stylish body... I know it's not impossible.

What is this obsession with making things lean one way or another...

And as for the bikini girl... Well... I really don't see the problem.

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04/15/2011 9:29 PM

Would university big MEN have gotten their collective panties in a bunch if the picture was of a male student, greasy and sweaty in a T-shirt and jockey shorts?????????????

Hell no! What's wrong with brains and beauty in the same person? Nothing I can see.

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04/15/2011 11:53 PM

Bikinis and Race Cars are as classic a combination as a still life with apples and grapes. Someone has gone crazy, and it isn't the student body. But then, I didn't know that a bikini was either particularly "feminine" - a shorter adjective comes to mind - or likely to "obscure" a pile of parts masquerading as a race car, on the Internet. The young lady seems to have more class than most of the other actors in this drama.

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04/16/2011 12:56 AM

After years of intensive study, I have come to the conclusion that,................................any piece of machinery..........................regardless of what it is...............................or how old............or whether it works or not..........or what color........................................Looks a hell of a lot better with a scantily clad woman in front of it.

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04/16/2011 1:14 AM

It's Canada .. They don't have bikini's.. it's just underwear..

..obviously the dean is mean.. an uptighty whitey if i had to guess ...

..sorry students.. sorry sponsors.. sorry learning process..

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04/16/2011 2:19 AM

Well frankly - it's not "erotic" and does give 'scale' to the car.

So what, the Dean is anal - that's #1 requirement in Dean CV terms.

The 'mistake' is the stupidity of posting of pics before the 'competition'.

And/or breach of just providing strictly for the calender use.

On the bright side - that group of graduates will perhaps learn early "It's not a Face-Book gratification World" out there.

In Engineering Land 'strategy' is a requirement.

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04/16/2011 7:32 AM

If she was actually part of the team, not a model that just showed up for the shoot....who cares? I'd rather look at her than some geek with tape holding his glasses together and a pocket protector on his shirt.

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04/16/2011 10:56 PM

"Do you think the University was too hard on the team?"

Is this a trick question?

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04/17/2011 5:33 PM

What a narrow minded bunch at the university, petty Adolfs we would call them here.

It is a prime example of the types of people placed in charge of the education of the next generation of Engineers. Simply apalling......simply sickening.

I pity the students there.....

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04/18/2011 8:06 AM

Dang I went to the wrong engineering school.

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04/18/2011 8:51 AM

Happily, this attractive young lady is not the only engineer I've ever seen who can look good in a bikini. They tend to be somewhat rare, but they do exist (I'm married to one) and the dean needs to get use to the idea. Now that his crack-down has gotten this image 500 times more exposure in the engineering/automotive community than it would have otherwise received, if he had a brain in his head, he'd he'd reverse his decision, reinstate the program and license the image to use it for advertising the school.

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04/18/2011 9:17 AM

If he had a brain in his head, he wouldn't be the Dean. He'd be an engineer!!

That said, I doubt he will back down now! Once his foot is planted (never mind where), his ego will have taken over, and his brain (wherever IT might be!) will not fire a synapse again, till he dies, or the issue does.

I wonder how long the buzz will keep him brainless?

Oh, wait, there's that "if he had a brain ... issue, again".

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04/18/2011 9:30 AM

You're probably right.....

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04/18/2011 9:23 AM

The dean is from Egypt. Maybe it's a cultural thing. Still prudish and wrong headed, none the less.

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04/18/2011 9:32 AM

Its not his culture, though he may not think so.

This simply proves that he is in the wrong job.....and damaging your country's future.

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04/18/2011 9:52 AM

My country's future (USA, not Canada) has been in doubt for some time now.

Can't say about Canada, haven't been there in 25 years.

What do you suppose the outcome would have been if they'd asked permission before doing the photo shoot? Not having the school's permission seems pretty shaky, too, since they were all authorized to be there in the first place.

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04/18/2011 9:36 AM

He's in Ontario now, where the population is use to images of attractive ladies in bikinis being used to sell everything from cosmetics and clothes to cars and industrial equipment. Wonder how long it will take for this to sink into his decision-making process? Perhaps by the time the model's own children will be in college?

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04/18/2011 11:54 AM

Sure looks like a nice ride to me!

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04/18/2011 12:08 PM

Yeah!! and the car looks great too!!!

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