Weather Modification

These are some pretty absurd assertions. Are the earthquakes and tsunami in Japan also the end result of some governmental plot?

Don't call it a plot; rather call it an experiment. Are you so confident in your government that you would dismiss their involvement in such a scheme. I don't trust government, any government to always do the right thing. An earthquake might be a bit too involved to carry out, but I was limiting my range of disasters to rain, snow, freezing conditions and drought. I never assume government has our best interests in mind. I think control of oil throughtout the world is enough incentive to make countries take whatever measures necessary to maintain a constant flow of oil.

These governments are doing so at great peril...

This activity has been banned by the United Nations. What leader in their right mind would risk the wrath of the UN?

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That's the funniest Wiki page I've ever read

Ya know, I usually try Wiki first on most unknown or fuzzy items. It is amazing what these people have amassed. As you say, this one is a gem!

If I drill Wiki a little further, there are more.

^{post script to sue: New keyboard in storage aboard the Chick Magnet. Will deliver June 2014.}

yabbut, won't I need it before Dec. 21, 2012?

21 December 2012? The date believed by some fringe elements to be the end of days, as indicated by the vigesimal Mesoamerican Long Count calendar used by the Mayans?

I am scheduling satisfaction of my debts (to the largest possible extent) for after that forecast end of days.

If these guys are correct, I might as well take advantage of their prognostic abilities.

Or, I could just send it now... I'm pretty sure we will all be around after the so-called end of days.

For about 160.000 people it will be the end of the world as they know it. They will just die statistically and for them the prophecy will come true. That's quiet a precise prophecy me thinks. After that date they will all have to die with out being blessed by a prehistoric race.

We had floods, a cat.5 cyclone and just recently a minor earth quake. Just keep it coming you guys in charge!! It takes more than bad weather to take us out .

What a waste, Ky.

I didn't mention the end of the world. I know there are wackos out there who will predict the end of the world, but I'm not one of them. I don't believe it, but I'm also not so naive to think government carries on experiments without our knowledge. It's not a question of good vs evil. Government does what it has to do with or without our knowledge or consent to insure continuation of the system of rule. Governments race each other with defense systems that will maintain security. We see it with weapons races; who has the best tank, missile, aircraft. Weather modification could be the last frontier. When they send a rocket into space, they tell the public it's for scientific research. They won't elaborate on it because they think the public is not intelligent enough to understand what they are doing. Do you believe everything they tell you?

I'm not trying to condemn anyone. I just think that we should be more aware what our governments are doing. Is it for our welefare? Is it for the oil? Is it for power and domination? I don't know, but I try to keep an open mind and not accept anything as gospel truth.

One of those big tornadoes passed within a few miles of my house on Saturday afternoon.............too close for comfort.

As far as your idea of governments modifying the weather.............I doubt it. Even if they had the capability, targeting bad weather on a specific area would be pretty tough, if not impossible.

Besides, there are some pretty nasty and effective biological agents that could be deployed and also not leave any signs of the culprit. For wiping out specific areas/populations of the planet, I think this would be the prefered method.

Bird flu anyone?

wait...wait...before we get into all of this....

OK, I'm ready.

Well, one part is right. If governments can screw something up, including the weather, they will. I just don't think they have the means to do it.

Besides, why would they target North Carolina? Just to give us something to talk about?

targeting bad weather on a specific area would be pretty tough, if not impossible.

True, but it could be in the experimental stage and the experiments are getting out of hand. They might have only wanted to create a few tornadoes, but the experiment went wrong and 250+ tornadoes resulted. This is a possible senario. If this is true, a lot of people would be mad and government will not admit to it.

Ron, There is no need to gulp down the lovely Red, you will have plenty of time for imbibing some more lovely reds.

I think you will find that the average annual rainfall, average daily hours of sunshine are pretty much in the same order as all the years before. We don't see any great variation in this part of the world. It would be interesting to learn whether your number of tornados, hurricanes are any different to years gone by. And then you have to include those weather events which occur offshore which don't have the impact on the population and are not part of the experience base that will be recalled. It could be that the location makes normally occuring events that much more memorable.

Like global warming, I will only get excited when we have snow falling in summer.

I don't think North Carolina has been a victim of weather experiments gone awry. The current explanation looks pretty feasible. We are in a La Nina weather pattern.

When warm, moist air from the gulf comes up and meets cold air pushing down from the north, big thunderstorms/tornadoes are always possible.

For this to happen intentionally, it would require moving huge masses of air, as well as repositioning the jet stream. We've all heard of cloud seeding to increase rainfall, which has had limited success. I can't imagine what it would take to influence weather on the scale you're talking about..............and not get caught doing it, if they could.

I've recently become convinced that our government and other governments are actively altering weather patterns as a means of warfare

They have been working on (and are still working on) weather modification programs. Like the old projects however (mind control, etc) they don't work that well. The Chinese had some success but not a great deal with their "lets shoot the clouds with artillery" approach.

Rest assured that if anyone is to blame it is the commercial sector and THEIR weather modification programs. That or it is just another weather cycle.

A weather modification bomb (WMB) could become the ultimate weapon of the future, capable of destroying whole countries, and no one would be held accountable.

Anyone who tried this would promptly be sued by EA Games for intellectual property infringement of their Command & Conquer game franchise.

If all of this is true, the world as we know it is on the brink of disaster.

Yes. There is however a good reason why most of us are not. It isn't.

Have a CLOSER look at the available data and cyclic weather patterns over the last few centuries. The weather patterns are not that strange or uncommon.

Although the US Government has worked on earthquake weaponization in the past there is no evidence they ever succeeded. Do you have any ?? Why would they intentionally cause destruction in Japan ?, New Zealand ? Relax ronseto, the conspiracy theorists are whacking your mole a little, that's all.

Because it's still in the experimental stage and they haven't been able to deploy their system accurately. It's quite obvious that if they are trying to modify the weather, it would be a very closely guarded secret.

Now that I think about it - you're likely right.

To my knowledge there has be an active discrediting campaign on anyone calling for a halt in the rise in climate energy for the last 40 years.

Clearly they have now managed to get the energy allocation in place, as the "instability" is up to speed and now self accelerating.

But, as you say, the 'accuracy' is not there yet.

Like They aim for China and get Australia, or North Korea and get the UK, then the dam thing backfires last (still this) winter, and annoyingly, misses Canada!

Obviously it's time for the naysayers to just admit what they have been up to, and turn that 'covert funding and effort' to the prime goal of wiping-out everyone between us and the resources we rightfully deserve.

Let's get this Weather War out in the open and properly funded, and crack this targeting problem!

Another backfire is intolerable!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B58ACIeCUPY Is it Tom Bearden that has been proclaiming such for a while now, if I recall correctly he says the US hasn't seen natural weather since 1976, or weather in the US has been manipulated since 1976; interesting.

Katrina, Rita, Andrew, Lilly, Gustav, Bob, Betsy (oh boy was that one fun!) and a 1/2 dozen near misses and TD's........ been there done that, bought the "T-shirt"...........

Personally, I would be a lot more scared of this ....

Stop and consider the shear scope of your assertion.

How do you manipulate thousands of cubic miles of atmosphere and make it do something that isn't natural.

I don't mankind is capable of fooling with Mother Nature.

There was a TV program a week ago; I think it was on the science channel that spoke about weather experiments that used lighting discharges along a long wire to "punch" a hole in the ionosphere. I didn't quite understand what they were doing, but it seemed that a hole in the ionosphere would direct large amounts of heat upward, causing shifts in wind currents and temperature shifts.

There was also a description of a chemical that could absorb something like 2000 times it's weight of water. They said a test was conducted where 20000 pounds of the stuff was released into the atmosphere and it caused moisture to combine and fall to earth as rain. Again this removal of a huge amount of moisture would cause sudden drops in temperature and create unstable weather. It sounds like weather modification is being studied for good reasons, but the military also is interested in it's possibilities.

I'm sure that messing with nature can be a dangerous thing, but being able to alter the weather can be for both good and bad objectives. CIA and other spook agencies, don't share their clandestine activities with the public, but we know they exist. Call it paranoia if you like, but someday, maybe 20-30 years from now, someone will reveal the truth that has been kept from the public.

My sham-wow absorbs a lot of water. Maybe I'm the one causing tornadoes with all the spills the kiddos do. Better throw that thing away before I do any more damage.

....There have been over 1100 documented tornadoes in North Carolina since 1950.

...It is not uncommon to have several major huricanes in the gulf in just one storm season.

....A major flood hits Australia every few years.

....and faced with the stark realization of the complete lack of power to stop destructive natural forces from tearing apart lives, some otherwise rational people are more at ease believe some one (even one with evil motives) is in control, rather than live in a world spinning completely out of control.

Hey there ronseto, There are active weather modification programs in several states. One of the larger ones is in Texas. If you google it, you will see their license and general program description. One of the chief aims of the program is to 'increase convective activity of cloud layers'. I share your concerns that in this rather loosely regulated program area, some appear to be messing with the weather in a way that could produce more violent storms - by design. Here's the website link to their license. http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weathermod.htm It's a quick read but very telling in terms of what they intend to do. I think the law of unintended consequences applies here. Heaven help the poor families in Tuscaloosa, Joplin and now Oklahoma City. If we paid for programs to make nasty weather that kills 7 times more people than in any average year, I would be a very sad and angry taxpayer indeed. These experiments are meant to be hard to trace. Any businessperson knows that risk management is key to getting a new and untried venture up and running. I do hope that if there is a link to weather modifiers and the very unusual storms of the last three weeks, that they have the smarts and courage to bring things to a careful halt until we can show that the benefits outweigh the potential consequences of fiddling with the weather. I spent two weeks doing relief work in Alabama after the storms. Great folks in a nasty situation. Good discussion.

I don't believe our government always has our welfare as a first priority.