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Saddle Design to Be Calculated

05/18/2011 12:38 AM

Dear gentlemen,

To install the saddle in horizontal pressure vessel or heat exchanger, is it mandatory to attach the wear plate to main body plate like shell or head? Also, please describe to me about how to calculate the saddle size and wear plate size. All size including thickness is to be required to make detail shop drawing. So, I would like know how to calculate the thickness for saddle and wear plate in compliance with ASME code Section VIII div. I.

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Re: Saddle design to be calculated

05/18/2011 12:53 AM

Maybe we should take up a collection and buy a gift copy of ASME §VIII, div. 1; in the hope it gives the desired calculation info for this and many other situations. I'm willing to commit US$5 to the cause....

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Re: Saddle design to be calculated

05/18/2011 3:54 PM

oh, oh....you inviting panhandlers

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Re: Saddle Design to Be Calculated

05/18/2011 11:38 AM

People do this stuff for a living (pretty good living) and went to school for many years to do so. Most places have very strict laws when it comes to building a pressure vessel. If you don't have the proper training, and education to know where to look for this information then you probably should not take this type of project on. You need to find a pressure vessel engineer who already has a copy of the standards to help you with this project. Just last week a maintenance engineer at a lumber mill just down the road from me was killed when a pressure vessel exploded, two others were life flighted from the area.

In the end I cannot suggest that you continue with this project until you find someone who is legally and technically able to help you with it. It would be a shame if someone gave you some information and you went off and killed yourself trying to use it. Pressure vessels are dangerous, even when a team of engineers design them.

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Re: Saddle Design to Be Calculated

05/18/2011 4:24 PM

I have specified and purchased horizontal pressure vessels in accordance with the rules of ASME Section VIII, Div I

The correct way to design saddles for horizontal pressure vessels is to let the fabricator of the vessel design the saddle. He will use an established, checked computer program such as COMPRESS or PVElite and give you a code stamp (certification) on the vessel.

He will probably use the rules of the PV code as well as the established methods of L.P. Zick in selecting saddle sizes and wear plate configurations. The Zick paper establishes empirical curves for developing stress levels in the shell of the vessel at the "horns" of the saddle. This methodology has been in use for over 50 years...

I always get the feeling that anyone who posts on this forum has little or no idea of the challenge in front of them, lacks an engineering degree and works for an MBA.....

My opinion only

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Re: Saddle Design to Be Calculated

05/20/2011 1:45 AM

Pl. refer book "process equipment design"

In india i have used the same @ 10 yrs. back to design the Vessel.

But still i sujjest , help of expert if you are new in this area.

By just googling and by ref. books don`t go ahead for such human life related equipment.

Master Stroke is always needed.

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Re: Saddle Design to Be Calculated

05/27/2011 2:17 AM

See the following design calculations for heat exchanger saddle support with ZICK analysis: Heat_Exchanger_Saddle Design_Calculations.

Note. The wear plate is that one located between the saddle and shell of vessel/exchanger, and is preferred to be welded into the saddle. In most cases, the wear plate have to be welded into the shell (using fillet weld) to prevent movement of vessel/exchanger while in operation, but may be in certain cases especially at low size vessel/exchanger, we don't weld the wear into the shell of vessel/exchanger, but I don't prefer that type, at least we can do tack welds only.

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06/04/2011 1:54 AM
Bitmap Bitmap Bitmap Bitmap Bitmap Bitmap

Figure - 1

1.0

Tank subjected to Circumferential Stress

1.1

The circumferential stress at the lowest point of the shell is given by

f5 = -K5 W1/ t (b1+10t)

Cl. C-4.3.2.6,Page167 of IS-2825
where,
Maximum reaction at the supportW

1

4000

kgf
Axial width of saddle supportb

1

250

mmAs considered
Thickness of Shell Platet

5

mm
A factorK

5

0.760

Table C.6, Page 170 of IS-2825
Circumferential stress at the lowest point of the shellf

5

-2.027

kgf/mm

2

Negative value denotes Compressive Stress

1.2

The circumferential stress at the horn of the saddle is given by

f6 = [-W1/ 4t (b1+10t)] - [12 K6 W1 r/L t2] ; if L/r = 4.42 < 8

Cl. C-4.3.2.6,Page168 of IS-2825
where,
Maximum reaction at the supportW

1

4000kgf
Axial width of saddle supportb

1

250mmAs considered
Thickness of Shell Plate alongwith reinforcing platetr

10

mmThk. t+ t

w mm

Length of cylindrical part of TankL

2750

mm
Radius of cylindrical part of Tankr

800

mm
Distance from any saddle to the adjacent end of the cylindrical partA

400

mm
A factor (for

A/r = 0.469 & θ = 120o)

K

6

0.013

Fig C.42, Page 169 of IS-2825
Circumferential stress at the horn of the saddlef

6

-2.1

kgf/mm

2

Negative value denotes Compressive Stress
Allowable Working Stress in Tensionf

14

kgf/mm

2

Maximum Allowable Circuferential Stressf

cmax

17.5

kgf/mm

2

f

c = (1.25) x f

Cl. C-4.3.2.7,Page169 of IS-2825

Since, all the above stresses are much below than the maximum allowable circumferential stresses; the tank is safe under circumferential stress.

1.3

Design of Tank Saddles

BitmapBitmap Bitmap Bitmap Bitmap The minimum section at the low point of a saddle shall resist a force

H equal to the sum of the horizontal components of the reactions on one-half of the saddle.

The effextive cross section resisting this load should be limited to

r/3 below the shell and the average direct stress on this cross section should be limited to two-thirds of the allowable design stress.

Now,

The horizontal force developed at the lowest point of the saddles is given by

H = K9 W1

Cl. C-4.3.2.8,Page170 of IS-2825
where
Horizontal force developedH816.0kgf
Maximum reaction at the supportW

1

4000

kgf
A factor (when θ = 120

o)

K

9

0.204

Cl. C-4.3.2.8,Page170 of IS-2825
and
Effective cross sectional areaA

c

4000

mm

2

(300x8 + 200x8)
Therefore,
The average direct stress developedf

H

0.204

kgf/mm

2

H/A

c

Now,
Allowable Working Stress in Tensionf

14

kgf/mm

2

Maximum Allowable Tensile Stressf

ts

9.33

kgf/mm

2

f

ts = (2/3) x f

Since, the above developed stress is much below than the maximum allowable tensile stress; the tank saddle is safe under tensile stress.

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