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Open Circuited Secondary Current Transformer

05/22/2011 6:48 PM

Onboard our vessel we have six generators. We have had issues with CTs burning up. I found that there was a wiring mistake and one of the CTs on each generator wasn't connected (open circuited). I thought that an open circuit CT would cause saturation and burn itself up? Why didn't all of the CTs that weren't connected burn up? We have had three fail over the past few months, they have all been while underway, quite large load on each generator. I would have thought that the open CT would have failed within a matter of minutes/hours not weeks/months?

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05/22/2011 11:36 PM

It is simple knowledge that if secondary of CT when not connected with a meter must be shorted other wise it may develop very high voltage and and is dangerous . So check up your wiring throughly to short circuit the non connected CTs. For a better consuptual knowledge about the subject read the link below.

http://www.eng-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=1189

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05/23/2011 5:34 AM

My question is why didnt all six of the disconected CTs burn up when open circuited, they were in service for roughly 12 months? we have already found the wiring mistake and corrected it.

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05/23/2011 8:50 AM

Luck.

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05/23/2011 4:20 PM

Come on guru that's not much of an answer. There has to be someone out there smart enough to give me some kind of logical answer. These generators have all run for about 12 months now, each generator with one CT open circuited. The gens are all connected to a common 11KV bus, and load share equally. We have had three CTs blow in the past 3 months (prior to finding the incorrect wiring). First failure was on gen #6 while on transit departing the shipyard, we had it replaced under warrantee in Singapore. Few months later, we finaly departed Singapore and while on transit once again gen #6, same CT. Week later, still on transit gen #2.

With the secondary winding open on a CT we know that extremely high voltages will be produced. Would the CT be in constant saturation too? Why didn't all of the opened CTs fail? And why didn't they fail sooner?

It seems that the CTs are only failing while under transit, this is when the generators are loaded the greatest. The thing is they all share the same load.

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05/23/2011 10:56 PM

It's a testimony to the quality of the secondary insulation that they didn't fail immediately. I guess over time the insulatikon deteriorated until it finally failed.

Out of curiosity - if they weren't originally connected how did you know they had failed?

Later edit: I think I see the answer to that - smell and smoke!

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05/24/2011 12:14 AM

Though the other CTs haven't visibly failed yet, I guess the insulation must have considerably deteriorated to cause trouble any time.

Hence, better to remove /replace the other three CTs also so as to minimise the problem while generators are running / ship is in transit.

For your question why these haven't failed yet, the answer can only be that - though the insulation is identical in all the CTs, there is bound to be some inherent differences in failure pattern due to many factors that are internal to CT manufacture as well as ambient conditions. Most likely, it is a matter of a few more days that these CTs to showup visible damage.

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05/24/2011 6:13 AM

The open circuited CTs would have certainly failed instantaneously in the event of occurence of any current based faults.Perhaps such faults have not occured in your case.

The voltages developed across the open circuited CTs during the normal operation were perhaps not enough to burst them instantaneously.However, the stress due to higher voltages have led to gradual deterioration of the insulation.Hence,the delay in failure of some of the CTs.The other ones,which have survived,must have lost considerable part of their life span.

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05/24/2011 2:10 AM

Out of interest have you shorted the other CT's yet? I would have thought it would be a matter of high priority to you to prevent further failures.

I wouldn't like to be on a ship knowing there's a fault lurking about waiting to bite me.

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05/24/2011 4:23 AM

Adam,

The newer CT's are very forgiving by design. Originally CT's had plenty of Iron core and lower quality design features, such as closer terminal separation and poorer quality insulation.

Newer CT's have just enough iron core to function accurately at rated amp ranges, above that the cores saturate, reducing the power that can be developed.

As in any transformer (and in most respects these are like any other transformer) leakage through the insulation will eventually build a path that will conduct enough current and thereby heat damage to the insulation.

Think of the effect of an open-circuit CT as a long 'megger' test. There will be some conduction through the insulation if the voltage is significantly above it's rating. Factors that will cause one CT to fail while it's neighbor does not (yet) are mainly ambient temperature, proximity to something hot etc, and insulation impurities or minor construction details of the individual CT's. The gap between the open shunting device may have been different on the different CT's, or moisture tracking was not equal.

Also, the greater the current flow through the primary, the higher the voltage will rise (theoretically to infinity) by ohms law. An un-loaded open CT is not a problem, but a heavily loaded open one is highly unstable.

The more important thing is to shunt them properly now that you know of the issue.

If I had to guess, I would presume these are not for metering but for protective device operation, which leads to the obvious concern that your protective circuitry was not properly functional either, a bit higher concern than an open CT.

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05/24/2011 5:36 AM

I'm a bit confused here: why didn't anyone notice that none of the metres were registering any current?

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? (again)

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05/24/2011 6:00 AM

Quite.

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Re: Open Circuited Secondary Current Transformer

05/24/2011 3:46 PM

Good question Johny451, if they weren't connected how did we know that they had failed?

The reason we didn't pick up on the CT not outputting was because it wasn't used for metering purposes. There are three on each generator. One around each phase, one leg of each of the three CTs was tied together to create a star configuration. The remaining three legs are rectified and sent to the AVR as a Booster to help produce the excitation current. With the missing phase the AVR would have still received a DC to help with the excitation but it would have been messy DC.

When the CT burnt up it would also burn up our AVR, I'm not sure exactly how this would happen either? If anyone has ideas on that would love to hear them too.

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05/25/2011 8:34 AM

Adam, well Most of our friends have clarified that what might be the reason, why other CTs were not failed.

As per Mr. Raghun, It would be better to replace all other CTs to reduce interruption and failure in future. It would be possible that they may fail one after another and put your system in nuisance.

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05/11/2014 6:04 PM

This is in reply to your secondary question about the AVR damage.

A CT failure doesn't always mean that the secondary becomes involved directly with the primary, simply that it develops an extremely high secondary voltage that damages the CT. If the CT faults in a way that connects the secondary with the primary however, your AVR will see the primary phase directly. Whereas it had been receiving relatively low DC secondary current rectified from a secondary side varying voltage of approximately 0 - 12 volts AC, I'd think that a sudden connection directly to the primary voltage would take out the rectification and hit the AVR with AC line-ground fault-value currents.

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