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Maximum Field Bend Radius for Pipeline

05/31/2011 11:57 PM

Hi,all the specialist.

I just worked as an engineer in engineering section in Thailand ,I found several problems in pipeline work but now can't find the solution for them.First priority problem ,My Client let me to design Pipeline route to be alongside the curved U turn road by natural field bend ,opencut method in 1.5 metres depth cover, But I want to know " How to calculate maximum field bend radius for them.?"

Spec : 6" API5L X42 x 0.281" WT C/W 3LPE Coated in Length of 12 metres.

Thanks for your advice and guidance on some of this solution

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Re: Maximum field bend radius for pipeline

06/01/2011 12:21 AM

There is no maximum radius; you can make it as large as desired or practical. (After all, a straight pipe has ∞ bend radius.)

On the other hand, there may be a minimum bend radius specified either by Codes or contract documents; maybe something like center-line bend radius ≥ 5 x nominal pipe diameter.

There may also be a consideration about maximum straight length of pipe. If thermal expansion/contraction is an issue, there may need to be "spring loops", expansion joints, or other provisions. For example, if you look at aerial views of the Alaska Pipeline, you will see many 45° bends or elbows.

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06/03/2011 12:34 AM

Dear Tornado,

I appreciate your good answer. Bend radius with min. 5D is required for those pipelines use bigs for cleaning, inspection, 2-fluids/patches separation, ... etc. to facilitate crossing of pigs, and no way to use standard elbows (Long Radius 1.5D nor Short Radius 1D) in that type of pipelines.

So, in pipelines used bigs, the min. bend radius is 5D and max. bend radius is infinity (straight pipe). And all codes and standards permits fabrication and installation of those bends.

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11/12/2018 12:51 AM

As per ASME B31.4 (Pipeline Transportation Systems for Liquid Hydrocarbons and Other Liquids)

404.2.2 Field Bends. Field bends are cold bends, generally made in the field during construction, to allow the pipe to conform to the contour of the ditch. Field bends include vertical bends (sags and overbends), horizontal bends to accommodate changes in direction, and combination bends.

Bends shall be free from buckling, cracks, or other evidence of mechanical damage. Ripples or wrinkles meeting the requirements of para. 451.6.2.8 are acceptable. Field bends shall meet the requirements of para. 434.7.1.

The minimum radius of field cold bends, except as noted in the next two paragraphs, shall be as follows:

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06/01/2011 12:34 AM

Maximum bend radius of a buried pipe, on Earth, would be 3950.5 miles.

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06/01/2011 12:41 AM

(But not good enough to make me go back and vote myself OT.)

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06/01/2011 12:52 AM

There is no OT when pursuing of the truth.

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06/01/2011 12:59 AM

And then too, it depends on how deep you bury it....

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06/01/2011 1:02 AM

1.5 meters is specified.

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06/01/2011 1:18 AM

I hereby adjust your excellent answer to 3950.4992 miles. (Or something like that--it's too late for arithmetic.)

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06/01/2011 1:23 AM

I'll drink to that. Again.

If I had a brain I'd go to bed.

Do you suppose SUTHASINEE has a clue?

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06/01/2011 1:46 AM

Even the fun replies actually convey some information, albeit a bit abstract. But I don't think Post 1 was too bad.

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06/01/2011 1:49 AM

It goes downhill after post #1, for sure.

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06/01/2011 2:34 AM

Are there formulars to calculate "Minimum field bend radius for pipeline" as above mention condition?

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06/01/2011 2:49 AM

I don't think there is any one formula for this; it depends on the bending method and the pipe material, whether heat is allowed, etc. For nominal pipe diameter D, forged fittings are made of various center-line radii: "short radius" r = D, "long radius" r = 1.5D; "3r" radius = 3D. Induction-heated bends can be fairly small radius; torch-heated and hydraulically formed bends maybe 5D or so, etc. As mentioned before, local Codes and contract specifications may dictate the bend radius. Cold bends formed hydraulically or around a mandrel will spring back about 2-3°, depending on material; so they must be "overbent" accordingly.

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06/01/2011 6:00 AM

Try not to bend 6in pipe. Try to fit factory-made elbows into it.

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06/01/2011 3:13 AM

Local code here is "No bend in pipe" and maximum 3 degree bend at each join. We achieve "bends" by using fittings of various angles and shorter pipe lenghts.

Following angles are usually readily available.

90, 45, 30, 15 and 7.5 degree bends.

Remember, bends put stress on your protective coating material that was "factory applied", a tight bend will cause coating puckering, separation and accelerated pipeline failure.

Check SPECIFICALLY with the pipe manufacturer for their advice. (If you have "flexible" pipe like HDPE or similar, then the answer would be very different.)

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06/01/2011 3:28 AM

Piping grade A53-A is (or was) made more-or-less specifically for close-radius bending, as used in serpentine "coils"; there is (was) a special "flattening test" dictating how ovoid the pipe can become around 180° bends. If any coatings are involved, they are applied after bending.

(Maybe I am describing a lost art/technology from the "old days", sort of like how oxyacetylene butt-weld joints have largely been supplanted by knobby socket-weld fittings in small sizes. Yecch.)

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06/01/2011 8:03 AM

Pity St Gobain shut down their UK pipe spinning plants. Our speciality was "bent" ductile iron pipe. They weren't supposed to be bent but, well, things went wrong at times.

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06/01/2011 8:42 AM

I wonder what it would do under its own weight?

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06/02/2011 8:33 AM

Proably fall off the edge of the earth!!!!!

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Re: Maximum Field Bend Radius for Pipeline

06/02/2011 10:12 AM

My best guess is the following... (assuming ASME B31.8 applies)

Elastic bends: 50 x pipe diameter
Plastic bends: formed with a pipe bender with an internal mandrel: 15 x pipe diameter

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