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Automotive Aerodynamic Designs

06/05/2011 8:47 PM

Ecomodder and many other web sites, including those from automotive racing, indicate varied forms of aerodynamic design for vehicles. Some of their designs are dictated by what they wish to achieve, or in some cases, by racing requirements.

Production cars have general sweeping lines from a low point in the front, up over the hood and windshield, over the top of the car to the area near the rear window. From there, things vary greatly from hatchbacks to vehicles which implement downward lines to the trunk, then on to a sharp edge, and then downward to the bumper. Some sporty vehicles have a rear spoiler and possibly an aerodynamic wind spoiler under the front bumper.

However, true racing vehicles and energy-saving prototypes use far different designs from production vehicles. Some suggest a rear boat tail upward. Some suggest a boat tail that is straight. Some suggest rear spoilers. Some suggest sweeping lines downward to the the lowest part of the vehicle. Is there a best design for the rear of a vehicle for aerodynamic design and least wind turbulence?

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06/05/2011 11:00 PM

Maybe--and maybe no one has found it yet. Good luck on the Easter egg hunt....

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06/06/2011 3:10 AM
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06/06/2011 10:22 AM

That is an interesting design. Thank you for sharing that website.

The 2010 Toyota Insight has a CD of 0.32

The 2010 Toyota Prius with 17 inch wheels has a CD of 0.30

The GM Volt has a CD of 0.28

The GM EV 1 has a CD of 0.195

he VW 1 litre has a CD of 0.16

The Toyota Insight really never caught on in the US, but was quite efficient. The GM EV 1 was never mass produced. The VW 1 litre has abandoned production. Note that the VW 1 litre had a 8.44 hp 1 cylinder diesel engine and weighed only 290kg. VW said it could not sell the car to the market because the price would have been $25.900, which was too much for the market targeted.

It is interesting that one European auto company is now looking at the shape of the boxfish as a new, most efficient design. In fact, they are calling the car... boxfish. In any case, I think the teardrop has been the general standard for efficiency for a long time. I appreciate students and engineers taking a new look at an old problem.

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06/07/2011 7:57 AM

2011 Toyota Prius with 15" wheels has a cd of 0.25.

Note: this is what they have claimed on the models since 2009. GM and all the other automakers claim it is only 0.30. I haven't actually calculated it.

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Re: Automotive Aerodynamic Designs

06/06/2011 10:45 AM

I don't have any citation, but remember from my school days that (much like the website kvsridhar posted) when it comes to finding a good design most vehicles (cars, planes, boats, etc) look to biology to find the answer. Think about how many things out there are biologically inspired or flat out copied. Nature has alot to offer with eons of evolution refining its design.

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06/06/2011 10:28 PM

Toyota Insight? Don't you mean Honda Insight?

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06/06/2011 11:08 PM

Yes, indeed. Thanks.

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06/07/2011 11:28 AM

These are Extremely interesting sites. Thanks. I don't think I would have found them without your input. Lately, I have been looking at the new Aptera concept car. I believe that company reported a 0.15 CD.

I will look into the experimental designs in land speed record vehicles on the greenbird and ssc sites to see the real life applications.

I appreciate your help. I can see the benefit of achieving land speeds with radical aerodynamic changes. I also am a private pilot and understand how CD affects speed and efficiency in the air. I have been interested in concept experimental planes through the EAA for a long time and have flown several experimental planes. The point is that concept changes can positively affect both vehicles on land and airplanes in the air as well.

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06/06/2011 11:31 PM

Old idea, done already around 1930, teardrop shape (streamlined body) has lowest drag coefficient.

There are many compromises between reducing aerodynamic drag (improving efficiency), performance, safety, utility, cost, and aesthetics. There is no simple solution that can be universally applied to all vehicle designs. Do your best to optimize the critical factors for a given application.

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06/07/2011 9:07 AM

I try and limit my left turns to less than 200MPH, I don't really require a rear wing.

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06/07/2011 11:37 AM

Did you ever notice that the Roman Empire chariot racing set the stage for the horse racing and car racing of today. They went counter-clockwise making left turns on the track then and still do today.

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06/07/2011 11:56 AM

I thought it had to do with the seat located on the left..line of sight, etc. Who knows for certain.

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06/08/2011 12:57 PM

just let me add a link to some documentation on one of the most extraordinary cars ever.

http://home.clara.net/peterfrost/tryaneii.html

I'm highly lucky to know Friend personally, could visit him at home, and had try rides on Tryane2 and others of his outstanding vehicles (cars, HPVs, recumbents...).

believe it or not, this glidy 2-seater is "fat enough" in its back to take a 26" bicycle.

flying on wheels!

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06/21/2011 6:10 PM

Sure is. Your question is vague in that you didn't specify what your end goal was.

Down force, drag resistance, linear stability???

A little tip: stay away from anyone using the term "MODDER"..........

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