Previous in Forum: ESA to Launch a Gigapixel Space Camera in 2013   Next in Forum: James Webb Space Telescope: An Antiscience Tragedy Unfolding
Close
Close
Close
Page 2 of 2: « First < Prev 1 2 Last »
Rate Comments: Nested
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5060
Good Answers: 129

More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/07/2011 3:14 PM

The James Webb Space Telescope

The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) is a planned infrared space observatory designed to be the successor to the Hubble Space Telescope and the Spitzer Space Telescope. It is designed to observe further than any telescope that exists today. It could potentially detect objects 100x fainter (launched over 20 years ago now) than Hubble and could see details 3x finer. The JWST will be a technological accomplishment that greatly increase our understanding of the Universe.

Congress wants to terminate the telescope because it is significantly over budget. I think a more rational approach would be to fire the current management rather than setting back astrophysics 10-20 years to save 1-2 billion a year. We've already made this mistake before, in 1994 when we canceled the SSC and set particle physics back 20 years (till the LHC came online).

Here is an article talking about the cut.

The Antiscience

I continue to hear about how there is no Antiscience sentiment in this country, but actions speak louder than words. How can we rationalize setting Astrophysics back at least a decade to save 1-2 billion dollars? Where is the sense in that? I understand it's over budget, but we are talking about the cutting edge of technology, you can't budget that perfectly, plus, if you want accountability, doesn't it make more sense to punish the management, not the science?

Two billion dollars represents 0.15% of the 1.3 trillion the U.S. will be in the red for 2011. If I said to you "We can knock off 0.15% off of the deficit next year but it will set heart attack research back 10 years", most people would say "that's crazy and we shouldn't do it". Hell, if I said "We can knock 5% off the deficit next year but it will set cancer research back a decade to twenty years", most would say "no way".

Yet almost 20 years ago we set back particle physics for 20 years to save a billion dollars, which did absolutely nothing over the long term except set back science. It did us no good for the long term because science spending isn't the problem, and everyone knows it, but politicians understand that people don't object to science cuts anymore. Now congress wants to do the same thing to Astrophysics.

I ask you, how can we say with a straight face that there is no antiscience sentiment in the U.S.? How many irrationally damaging actions against science must be taken before we admit it? Where but in a world where people have lost all respect for the sciences do these decisions make sense? How can we pretend to be outraged about our students ranking so low in math and science when we won't fund even the most important basic scientific projects? Do you think China would cancel a project like this?

What is going to happen to the U.S. if it continues to turn it's back on science?

Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5060
Good Answers: 129
#104
In reply to #102
Find in discussion

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 7:32 PM

CR4 is weird.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Not a New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK. Going under cover.
Posts: 9684
Good Answers: 468
#105
In reply to #104

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 7:59 PM

Hmm? You've noticed that? zzzzzzzzz.

__________________
"Love justice, you who rule the world" - Dante Alighieri
Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 468
#95
In reply to #93
Find in discussion

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 5:55 PM

I've had some knocked off today also.................from completely different threads.

Maybe one from here.

It is petty. While it makes no difference whatsoever, regardless of what arguments or wars are taking place, for people to spend time on doing this is pretty lowlife behavior in my book.

For people to use the OT button as a tool in an argument, says a lot.

I hope it makes them feel better....................of course, they probably don't think much of themselves in the first place.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Not a New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK. Going under cover.
Posts: 9684
Good Answers: 468
#97
In reply to #95

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 6:20 PM

If one OT is applied in a thread - I tend to ask who did it, and ask for justification (which reminds me - I still owe you an answer over on "Faraday's Law ..." ). If it's a mass attack, it's into another sphere. Someone on the thread is not 'playing the game' - and maybe needs to be 'moderated'.

__________________
"Love justice, you who rule the world" - Dante Alighieri
Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 714
Good Answers: 38
#98
In reply to #95

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 6:32 PM

While it is often abused (in the petty way you are describing), I think the OT button can be used as a useful tool for preventing a wrong answer from being "good" (given that we have no bad answer button). I have no qualms using it to undo a GA if I feel the GA is incorrect and will substantiate my view. Of course, in the end if I have my ego deflated (which happens) I'll undo the OT as well.

To me it's just a means of feedback for someone viewing the thread. It doesn't seem right to me to idly sit by while the thread has "answers rated to be good" that I believe are wrong.

__________________
Sometimes my thoughts are in a degree of order so high even I don't get it...
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 468
#103
In reply to #98

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 7:27 PM

If an answer is incorrect................no problem. I don't bother using the OT button myself.

I think using the OT button to undo a GA opinion that you happen to disagree with, or using it to try to punish someone because you're mad is pretty petty.

Like roger, I don't care. It's the behavior itself that's bothersome, not missing GAs.

I don't care for sneaks.

And before things get blown out of proportion, I'm not accusing you. Just generally speaking.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Engineering Fields - Transportation Engineering - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member Technical Fields - Procurement - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Engineering Fields - Architectural Engineering - New Member Technical Fields - Marketing/Advertising - New Member Engineering Fields - Food Process Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mariposa Ca
Posts: 5800
Good Answers: 114
#107
In reply to #103

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 8:06 PM

I think using the OT button to undo a GA opinion that you happen to disagree with, or using it to try to punish someone because you're mad is pretty petty.
I'm unclear, is it acceptable to have an opinion about whether a post is a good answer & voting GA/OT?what about rating a thread?
GA/OT is sillywhat would you call trying to analyze unknown members thought process when they are voting on this silly feature?
Vote early vote often....

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 468
#108
In reply to #107

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 8:41 PM

Whaaaatevvvveeerrr

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Engineering Fields - Transportation Engineering - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member Technical Fields - Procurement - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Engineering Fields - Architectural Engineering - New Member Technical Fields - Marketing/Advertising - New Member Engineering Fields - Food Process Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mariposa Ca
Posts: 5800
Good Answers: 114
#109
In reply to #108

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/19/2011 8:56 PM

no whatever

if it's silly fine, laugh, enjoy

why all the endless hand wringing?

I just picked on you because you had the best utterance

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 714
Good Answers: 38
#110
In reply to #103

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

07/20/2011 9:21 AM

It's all good. I'm not taking anything personal. I'm just opining (and it simply appears we have slightly differing views, which if fine).

__________________
Sometimes my thoughts are in a degree of order so high even I don't get it...
Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Participant

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2
#111

Re: More Antiscience: Cancelling the James Webb Space Telescope

08/05/2011 5:50 PM

I was a bit sad when I hear this! I am a fanatic of James Webb Space Telescope.

Refracting Telescopes

Reply
Reply to Forum Thread Page 2 of 2: « First < Prev 1 2 Last »

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Andy Germany (1); Anonymous Hero (8); Anonymous Poster (4); Bayes (37); bushidodadon475 (1); ChaoticIntellect (3); cwarner7_11 (2); Doggerel (1); Garthh (9); Hooker (3); JBTardis (6); JohnDG (6); kramarat (13); kwcharlie (1); Milo (3); redfred (6); Simon Magnus (1); Usbport (6)

Previous in Forum: ESA to Launch a Gigapixel Space Camera in 2013   Next in Forum: James Webb Space Telescope: An Antiscience Tragedy Unfolding

Advertisement