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Fast Switching Device

08/19/2011 7:26 AM

Our control switchgear gets its control supplies from two 24VDC redundant buses A1 & A2. Under normal conditions with both A1 and A2 are energized, relay K1 will be energized and hence switchgear control supply will be supplied by A1. When power of

A1 fails , then relay K

will de-energize and hence power will be supplied by A2 bus. However during this period of transition from A1 TO A2 , control supply to switchgear will cutoff because the relay contacts are mechanical and not fast switching devices.so it will take some time for the NC contact of relay K to close upon de-energiziation of the relay.

How can I eliminate this condition of control supply failure to the switchgear ? Is there any fast switching device that will implement the same logic as implemented by the relay K ?

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Re: fast switching device

08/19/2011 7:58 AM

Easy. Ditch the relays and use two rectifiers.

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08/19/2011 8:09 AM

Quickest I can come up with

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Re: Fast Switching Device

08/19/2011 8:34 AM

Hi:

If you don't want to make any modifications to your circuitry, just replace K1 for a Make Before Break relay, here is a model number from OMRON, just complete it adding the coil voltage at the end.

G2A-4L32A

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08/19/2011 10:04 AM

...Or you could simply put a decent sized capacitor across the relay output lines to help keep the 24VDC buss alive for the couple microseconds it takes for the relay to engage the other buss.

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08/19/2011 11:48 AM

1. You can use a 'make-before-break' relay. When A1 fails, it will switch on A2 first, then switch off A1. Before you say 'but...', there will be no short-circuit between the two sources, since A1 is dead. Yes?

When A1 comes back, the relay resets.... now the relay NC contact should close back after the NO makes....doable, you need to look for a suitable relay

2. You can get delayed-drop-off control equipment to be used downstream of the relay. You need to look around.

i am perplexed though. The small relay will have a much smaller operating time than the downstream equipment. Are they really dropping off in the trasition time? Or is it just an academic worry?

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08/19/2011 12:11 PM

I would like to pick a nit with your first premise, neither you nor I know how A1 will fail, it could short to ground, it could open, it could short to the supply, it could take a lightning hit, anything is possible. Therefore Keeping A1 and A2 separate should be mandatory to prevent whatever took out A1 from damaging A2.

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08/19/2011 12:41 PM

Sure, anyone can make an absolutely foolproof and idiotproof system given a few million dollars. (Is that why the US is in debt?).

i must confess that i didn't think of the possibilities that you mention. (lighting strike ... 24V DC supply.... egad!)

So, coolyaar, please disregard whatever i have said, sorry.

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08/20/2011 11:55 AM

Apologies. My response to you was rude and crude. You are quite right. Better i should have kept quiet than give a potentially dangerous solution.

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08/20/2011 1:07 PM

No problem.

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