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To Remove Bend in Steel Structures

08/24/2011 6:24 AM

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I'm having a basic doubt regarding removal of bend in steel structures. Heating or hammering are the two ways to remove the bend. out of these two which one is the best (minimum internal stress to job)?

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08/24/2011 6:30 AM
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08/24/2011 7:09 AM

This is essentially a one-shot proposition, so I don't think metal fatigue is much at issue. If you heat an outside section of the bent portion to an orange color, and then cool it by applying water spray or wet rags, the heated section will first expand, and then will retract more than it expanded. How much heat, over how large an area, is kind of an art form. There are experienced people who can do this; intuition and familarity seem to figure more than some sort of calculation. Given one or two tries, carbon steel is easier to work than stainless. I'm not very good at it, but I have managed CS decently, whereas I tend to overshoot back and forth with SS. (Once upon a time, I was trying to lay a not-quite-straight SS strip into a channel. That was pretty comical, though finally I got it.)

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08/24/2011 7:11 AM

Without any idea what the structure is, it is impossible to give a sensible answer.
(Mind I find it tricky to keep my answers sensible at the best of times).
Are we talking a steel cake tin or a railway bridge?
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08/24/2011 8:20 AM

Agreed Del, the true answer is "it just depends..." are we talking about mild steel? or are we talking about heat treated beams? if they are heat treated, additional heat will change the material properties, possibly significantly. Further, in corrosive environments, you can potentially have corrosion occurring preferentially in the heat effected zones.

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08/24/2011 10:07 AM

I thought that the preferred method was to re-liquify and re-cast the metal. Doesn't this bring back all of the original properties?

But what do I know? I just like to chase electrons.

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08/24/2011 11:38 AM

Not without the addition of alloys again. Once you re-melt steel, carbons will be lost in the process.

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08/24/2011 11:43 AM

That's one way to look at it. But one could also now say that any alloy is now possible, if you have the recipe. You would also have absolutely no metal fatigue, too.

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08/24/2011 10:21 AM

Heat it.

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08/24/2011 12:53 PM

I assume these are structural shapes since you don't tell us.

Forget metal fatigue, it doesn't apply here.

Hammering in the absence of heat causes embrittlement. I think it is not very effective on shapes anyway.

Heating the outside of an unwanted bend to a dark cherry makes it soften and try to expand at the same time. The unheated side, still full strength, stops it from expanding, in effect making it contract. When it cools it pulls the beam straighter. If this is done at intervals around the bend, the member cam be straightened.

I seem to have repeated what Tornado said, I better give him a GA.

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08/24/2011 11:24 PM

If it's not a cake tin, my preferance is a hydraulic cylinder and chains, or press, or whatever suits the anchorage/support situation. Heating and hitting are too 'hit and miss' in my opinion. Good for panel beating though.

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08/25/2011 12:21 AM

i think hammering is best.. in our site they prefer that than heating...

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08/25/2011 12:25 AM

It's simply IS2062 grade B materials (normally used for structures). Not a alloy and a heat resistant material. i need to know hammering/ heating, which is the best to make the metal straight and why?

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08/25/2011 1:32 AM

It seems to be home work rather then some practical problem.

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08/25/2011 5:12 AM

Wrap it in a heat blanket, then pull on it. Just don't stand under it.

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08/25/2011 8:02 AM

I'll quote from your post http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/66641

By Lyn "If you take a look at some of OP's other questions, you may discover that he likely doesn't know the answer to your "good answer"".

But we're here to help, if we can. I can put you in touch with "Ivan", give him enough power he can bend any thing, so apply a bit of reverse psychology to him he'll straighten it for you.

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08/25/2011 4:14 PM

Heat till yellow-orange in color and then hammer while still hot just like the blacksmiths used to do. If it worked for them for over a 1000 years why change the recipe.

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08/25/2011 7:11 PM

Heat it and beat it.......I agree with the rest, without knowing size, etc, no answer will be fully correct. I once worked in a shop straightening large beams, etc. We usually just used hydraulic pumps, rams, etc. A lot depends on the composition of the metal, how much it is bent, how perfect do you want to get it back to.

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08/26/2011 12:18 AM

can you suggest me any guide to learn it in detail based on composition and bend size. i want to know that only..

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08/26/2011 7:25 PM

Have even tried to do any research about your question? And then you wanting to know why?, makes sound like it's a home work question. CR4 is good place to find answers, but most of us,I think most us here, would prefer the OP to do some research on their own first. That way, you'll have a better understanding of the "whys" to the replies you receive here.

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08/26/2011 11:11 PM

Probably our OP has not done any prior research. I consider this type of a vague comprehension question with a few initial options proposed an excuse posting. I suspect the OP is looking for somebody to agree with one of the suggested solutions so that when the repair fails they have the excuse that somebody else thought it was a good attempt, too. I say this because we know so little about the actual situation to make any real suggestion on how to propose a real repair. This is precisely why I made the ludicrous suggestion of smelting the steel back to iron and re-manufacture the steel alloy into the desired structural design.

To be honest the OP did give us an Indian standard for this steel that implies that it maybe a pipe that needs straightening but the OP doesn't recognize that all steels are an alloy. We don't know if this structural steel pipe will be used in a bicycle frame, a vehicle exhaust manifold, as part of the superstructure of a bridge, a railroad track or any of the billions of other uses one can use steel. We also don't know how many microns or centimeters of a bend exists in this steel that needs to be straightened. As far as we know this may even be a bend from an applied load that should be ignored.

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08/26/2011 11:51 PM

I know and I agree, this is just like what we talking over on the thread, "projects for multi-purpose grinders", huh? Not enough information being supplied by the OP regarding their question, And, I did like your reply here, about smelting the steel

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08/29/2011 7:26 AM

Hammering is better than heating, but better of both is straightening by an hidraulic cilinder as said before by a contributor. Take care about heating since you can put the steel out of the applicable norm to that shape or flat structural steel. Indeed heating practice for straightening is not allowed everywhere, sorry I can't be more specifyc.

Heating makes the steel metallurgical structure change, increasing the grain size among other parameters, and making the quality certification mechanical properties data change drastically, and in some cases, like when resilience (-20ºC...) is needed you will make it not to comply with the needed parameter.

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08/29/2011 12:41 PM

But you will never get 5 micron accuracy with hammering a piece of steel. It will also take a very big hammer to straighten a 10 meter long IPE 750 x 147 beam.

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08/30/2011 4:25 AM

Hi Redfred, although you want to straighten 10 m, you can always apply the hammer over shorter lengths between supports. It will take longer, but it can be effective if the hammer is capable. We are always considering applying over the x axis (on top of flange tips) of a beam/column.

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