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Another Silly Idea!

08/25/2011 7:04 AM

If we are willing to spend tens of billion on research on Tocomak for fusion energy, why don't we do research on vertical tunneling to the Earth upper mantle layer for geothermal power ? The amount of energy is also limitless. It is only about 30~50 km deep. There are many countries in the ring of fire where the upper mantle layer should be even shallower. Today's technology already enable tunneling over hundreds of km, what is so difficult about just tunneling in a different direction? I imagine all we need to do is to ask the driver of the tunneling machine to steer downwards and make sure he keep going straight down, after a few months or years, he will reach the giant fire box, then he spray water on it, collect the steam to the steam turbine generator. The exhausted steam will rise up the tunnel, as it rises up, it cools and condense and flow back down to the fire box and the cycle can repeat endlessly without needing an extra drop of water and endless energy flow out ! Wouldn't that be nice and cheaper !

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08/25/2011 7:16 AM

Are you volunteering to drive the machine?

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Re: Another Silly Idea!

08/25/2011 8:38 AM

"Another Silly idea"? Yep. That's about right.

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08/25/2011 8:57 AM

If you drill a 50 km deep hole in the earth, all the air will come out and the earth will be flat.

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08/25/2011 10:45 AM

The heat would be so great that the boring machine would become inactive and break down........materials science has a long long way to go for this to work. Don't you know how a horizontal boring machine works? If you did you wouldn't be posing this question. For instance, the cutting heads require a lot of maintenance and are constantly being changed. They do wear out; duration varies depending on the type of rock encountered. Google some of the Swiss tunneling websites!

The working conditions would be intolerable. All you have to do is research the working conditions of the diamond mines in South Africa and see why this isn't currently feasible. I believe they are the deepest mines in the world.

I for one wouldn't want to work in such a deep bore for a lot of reasons!

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08/25/2011 12:04 PM

I like the idea for enegy purposes. It's "only" 50 km down.

The deepest earth bore I know of is about 12 km at Sakhalin Island. All we have to do is go 4 or 5 times that.

So, to entertain your silly idea with another one,

Why not just build a disposable powerplant on an active volcano? You could achieve the same results without drilling to record breaking depths.

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08/25/2011 12:33 PM

I like your idea about a disposable power plant !

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08/25/2011 1:30 PM

Fusion generation requires dealing with temperature of a few million degrees ! Deep earth tunneling only a few hundred degrees. Ordinary steel can easily withstand several hundred degree C, this is enough to generate a lot of useful steam. Both fusion and geothermal give unlimited energy . I reckon that deep earth tunneling research will be far cheaper and nearer than fusion research. The choice seems obvious.

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08/25/2011 4:47 PM

Neither fusion nor geothermal energy is unlimited, although each resource is large.

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08/25/2011 12:38 PM

OH MY GOODNESS!!! Don't do it. Don't you remember "Crack in the world" where the world cracked apart and we ended up with a new moon much closer. They used an atomic bomb to get to the final depths and the crack traveled around the world. Many people died (in the movie) or wasted there money sitting in the theater. Either one would be bad!!!

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08/25/2011 1:22 PM

why not cap an active volcano and term this "geo-thermal-upper-mantle"?

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08/25/2011 3:42 PM

I believe they explored that in the documentary film 'The Core'

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Easily accessible geothermal power does have its advantages but is quite expensive to setup and is only available in certain areas (we have quite a bit down here).

Deep drilling helps solve the location problem but is more expensive and fraught with technical difficulties.

In the end it is being currently looked at as a viable renewable power source among other ideas

Magma power

Safety glasses people!!!!

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08/27/2011 12:03 PM

Bravo88..

You have discovered our deepest engineering secret !!! OMG OMG OMG !!!

As engineers, we have taken an oath to never reveal this secret source of energy and to continue to use coal, oil and nuclear power to make electricity. We want to polute the places where we live and we never, never have clean energy....

OMG, OMG, OMG How did you guess the secret !!??

Oh,......and that part about tunneling hundreds of km and using materials that have not been invented yet......and, um, .....that driver's job on the tunnelling machine........can you help us out with that..???

Or, like most MBAs, Certified Project Professionals and other executive b*ttwipes, do you just leave those tasks to "others to figure out"....????

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