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Zinc Poisoning

08/26/2011 12:27 PM

I belong to a small ceramics studio that recently got a new/used kiln and had it "installed" by a local company. This is a large, 4ft x 4ft interior ceramics kiln, made to fire to 2300 degrees F. No over-all hood. The venting over the "chimney" of the kiln is of galvanized metal, no insulation. I have two concerns: 1. Zinc poisoning 2. Heat build-up. The air exits the stack at about two-thousand degrees... Without an overall hood the room got so hot when they tried to fire it to cone 9 that they shut it down for fear of the tar roof melting or catching fire. Is the zinc a valid concern? We already KNOW the lack of a hood is wrong, but are having trouble convincing the board of it. (We're a not-for-profit.) Please tell me what I need to know to convince them, or reassure me.

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08/26/2011 12:38 PM

Does the kiln manufacturer have a website?
They would be the people to consult for recomended intallation methods.
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08/26/2011 12:57 PM

DO NOT OPERATE THIS KILN UNTIL IT IS PROPERLY INSTALLED AND VENTED!!!!!!!!!!!! Zinc fumess are toxic.

There must be code requirements for such things. Your installer should be sued.

I'd invite the board in and threaten to fire the thing up.

Google "zinc fume poisioning" for a hint of the dangers.

Del's suggestion of contacting the kiln manufacturer and asking for installation guidelines is good advice.

Also, inform your insurance company about this installation. I'll bet my hat they will have an opinion about liability exposure.

It's not healthful: Get it fixed!

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08/26/2011 1:01 PM

My immediate concern is who owns this building? The owner of the building should be notified that you have installed such a large kiln inside their property without proper ventilation. If the non-profit group you are in owns the building then you could contact your insurance company. They will likely inform the board that operating the kiln with inadequate ventilation will likely create an arson fire that will certainly not be covered by insurance and may have criminal consequences.

As for any outgassing toxic hazards, it will always a matter of concentration levels. Zinc and Zinc Oxide is not as toxic as many other metals but without any ventilation the concentrations could get nasty with any metal.

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08/26/2011 10:54 PM

Yes- zinc fumes are toxic! Such heat absolutely should not be exhausted into a room. It should be exhausted through 2-wall chimney flue, or even better- tile-lined/brick chimney,. I agree with above post about checking supplier's web site for installation instructions. Exposed flue should be insulated. Check with your local building inspector. If they have a code, I'm sure this does not meet it.

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08/26/2011 11:07 PM

Temperature is an obvious fire problem. Solve it, do not operate.

Zinc is an equally obvious health problem.. Eliminate it. Zinc is the lightest of the heavy metals deleterious to your health. NO GOOD. Please send me email. I am willing to work with you on it.

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08/26/2011 11:38 PM

In addition to the obvious problem with zinc poisoning, kiln temperatures can drive out all kinds of exotic metals used in glazes, etc. Sounds like your non-profit might go up in smoke. Wake up! Industrial poisoning isn't very artistic.

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08/27/2011 1:29 AM

I have welded a lot of galvanized metal. It has to get very very hot before it releases any gases. I would be concerned about carbon monoxide, especially if the kiln is gas fired.

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08/27/2011 3:23 AM

Apparently it has released enough gases to get to you already....

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08/27/2011 9:52 AM

Yes I have been got too on several occasions.

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08/27/2011 1:38 AM

The first thing you should fire with this kiln is your dangerously incompetent board.

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08/27/2011 3:02 AM

I've a 440 volt 2700 degree kiln that I use for vitrifying porcelain and Pyrex for industrial use. Because it's electric, I do not have the combustion gas venting issues you face.

The amount of heat that my system generates is for relatively short periods (several hours) and carefully regulated by discipline specific computer programs.

Most of the heat is contained inside the kiln by generous insulation. This is done to enhance energy efficiency and reduce costs. The room gets warmer but not by much.

You need a hood that meets fire codes and the exhaust must be vented outdoors and away from the building by a double walled flue with suitable insulation to prevent heat getting into the walls.

Gas fired kilns use enormous amounts of oxygen. Some means needs to be provided to insure that oxygen levels are maintained both for the combustion process and human beings. Lack of oxygen will likely cause carbon monoxide levels to increase. I doubt you want that!

Judging from your comments, it sounds like someone found a "good deal" and made a snap decision without doing their homework.

I'm certain you are in serious violation of municipal building and fire codes. You may be operating without insuirance as a consequence.

I also feel safe in saying that this installation was likely done on the QT without benefit of an application to the code enforcement agency and without benefit of site inspection before or after the installation.

Boilers and pizza ovens are frequently required to be installed on a cement pad or on a cement board underlayment to preclude heat getting into a wood floor. Is yours a frame building?

No inspector with half a brain would approve the current installtion and since the code enforcement agency appears to be unaware of the obvious violation, you could be in for serious legal consequences should they find out.

In it's current state it is most certainly a threat to people, the building and its operator.

Given the seriousness of this situation, the zinc issue is a relatively benign matter.

It appears likely that salvaging this mistake will cost you more money than tossing it and starting over.

L.J.

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08/27/2011 3:25 AM

I am sorry to say, that Laughing... is not exaggerating. I am all for arts, but this is not the way. Simply installing it outdoors is a partial solution, as the exhaust venting need remains. Smartly using it means limiting what kind of paints and glazes you use. Or, as I understand the drive to artistic freedom, what you use first, then cover with a more neutral cover coat. It is your life, your art. Be informed about it.

By the way, welders die in a large % from the inhaled metals. Be advised. Treatment for industrial scale metal poisoning is now a century old: chelation.

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08/27/2011 4:25 AM

I agree totally with LJ post 9.

There may be an additional health risk from evaporating metals or oxides from your ceramics work.

Zinc is not really very dangerous but if you take in a lot then the Zinc-Copper balance needed in our internal chemistry is spoiled. This will disrupt many essential pathways in protein synthesis!

Zinc is evaporating at or near 900°C so you won't have for long any Zinc there.

Metals and oxides from any of your glazing components will be very dangerous if inhalad.

This includes quartz (silica) and aluminum!

Workers in early tunnel digging did have a lifetime expectation of only 5 months if crossing high quartz regions!

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08/30/2011 1:25 PM

I would doubt that the amount of zinc applied to the surface area described would be life threatening unless you actually heated up the entire surface to over 1600 degrees F or whatever its vaporization temperature is in a matter of minutes in order to vaporize it all the hot dip zinc coating at once and all your windows were closed to keep it inside.

Generally before you die you would get the "zinc shakes" which was not uncommon to melters and pourers in a foundry that did a lot of yellow brass castings since was generally a 60cu-40zn basic formula. Zinc fumes would start coming out at about 1850 degrees F. The higher the temp the more fumes and the pourer would inhale quite a bit before personal protection came into being. Before that a wet rag was the most common protection. Wobbly knees and a headache would incapacitate you before the life threatening point was reached.

I'd worry more about a fire from the sound of it. At that point the Board of Directors would be facing criminal charges most likely.

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