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Why is the Copper Wire in a Carbon Brush Connec....

09/04/2011 9:26 AM

Why the copper wire in a CARBON BRUSH is connected from the centre of the carbon brush to the thin metal plate at the other end (as we see in case of DC generator/motor) and why not from the surface. And why do we use carbon only and not copper block or other conducting metal.

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09/04/2011 10:03 AM

The connection question is simple...it is a purely mechanical connection. Where it occurs means very little. I used to replace brushes which had no internal connection...only a electrical current carrying spring which would hold them in place. The answer to the second question...why carbon? Well, many brushes contain not only carbon, but copper dust and graphite. The soft, slippery carbon does not damage the expensive copper slip rings or commutators.

Another good reason is that in DC applications, there is always sparking, also known as arcing. Such sparking from metal to metal would cause more damage than carbon arcing. During an electric are, the temperatures are very high right at the arc, and carbon does not spall or deform at those temperatures, whereas a metal brush would weld itself to the commutator. The metal commutator receives some damage from the arcing too, of course, but it is moving pretty fast, and fresh metal is always coming up, so damage from sparking to the commutator is a lot less. Less but not gone entirely! The arcing and sparking is a source of eventual wear.

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09/04/2011 10:11 AM

I suspect that you have either remembered the question incorrectly or that this translation into English is incorrect. What you have written here does not make grammatic sense in English. Possibly the point of this interview question was to see how you would respond to an ambiguous, confusing question instead of testing your knowledge of a carbon brush.

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09/04/2011 10:28 AM

This is a common enough question on google answers to make me think that it is from a short list of "interview" questions that help to see how agile the applicant's mind is.

Or not. (shrugs). Come to think of it, that what you said...grin!

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09/04/2011 11:35 AM

All job interview questions are crafted to see if and how the applicant will fit into the company. If this applicant's answer to a thought provoking question is to ask somebody else, it will be a long time before they get employed.

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09/04/2011 11:23 AM

You will find if you crush a carbon brush that the pigtail is embedded in the carbon / graphite compound

Look for Morganite, LeCarbon or The Electric Bush Company on google.

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09/04/2011 11:43 AM

Can we use aluminium or gold or silver instead of carbon brush?

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09/04/2011 12:23 PM

Yes, but not for long. Carbon brushes are designed to wear out before any damage is done to other components. They are relatively easy to replace, for this reason.

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09/04/2011 12:40 PM

Wooden brushes are great, no arcing, and because they don't conduct there is none of that troublesome rotation to wear anything out
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09/04/2011 7:01 PM

You're so practical.

I see you're also prejudiced toward wood.

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09/04/2011 9:42 PM

But isn't wood just impure, structurally complicated carbon?

The next time we get a student looking for an electrical engineering project, maybe we should have them explore the electrical property differences of wood, graphite, diamond, graphene and fullerene nano-tubes.

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09/04/2011 10:13 PM

You forgot charcoal briquets!

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09/05/2011 10:35 AM

fullerene nano tubes are used as filters for fluids. They will only allow the flow of particles depending on the biasing, theyve got nothing to do with conduction actually.

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09/05/2011 11:53 AM

Fullerene electrical and thermal conductivity is actually a hot topic of research today. Depending on the the structural pattern (not the impurity) they can be either a semiconductor or a conductor.

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09/04/2011 3:30 PM

there is no special reason for copper wire in such a way. it can can be connected At any place on the carbon brush it is connected according to the mounting and inserting possessions of the brush. for the brushes in low wattage motors copper wire is connected from the centre of the carbon brush to the metal plate with spring tension. for the brushes in high wattage motors copper wire is connected side of the brush

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09/05/2011 12:25 AM

Part 1:

Pigtail connection in a carbon brush is connected from the centre of carbon brush; but not from the centre; as the pigtail is to be inserted deep into the carbon body; so that it carry forward all the current collected by the carbon brush. Also insertion of pigtail at the centre unlike the connection done by attaching at the surface, will be a low resistance joint and also secure one; therefore resulting in lower resisrance power loss at the joint.

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Earlier dc machines; had copper breads for collecting current from the commutator; however; they are damaging to the commutator. Also, commutation (reversal of current in the armature conductor, passing under the carbon brush) is assisted by carbon brushes better as compared to copper brushes. This is because; higher resistance of carbon brushes as compared to copper conductors in the motors; helps in transfer of current from one direction to another; when the motor is operating. This in addition to the commutating winding on the stator of the motor; helps to increase the rating of the motor; for a given size/ frame.

Carbon brushes also offers less friction between commutator and carbon; therefore the commutator which is costly item in a dc motor is not subjected to damage; and therefore offers long life to the motor.

Therefore, carbons very much integral part; for the operation in a motor

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09/05/2011 10:39 AM

Thanks Yousef, Lyn and Raghurama for your answers. Let this be the end of this thread.

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