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Non ferrous material-ASME GRADE

09/28/2011 10:12 AM

We are using the following non ferrous materials for flare tip and associated piping for refinery application:

Incoloy 825 for hydrocarbon flare tip and associated piping

Inconel 625 for Acid flare tip and associated piping

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1-Pls inform the chemical composition of the two materials above.

2-Kindly inform the equivalent ASME Grade for plates, pipe, forging (flange), fittings etc.

3-Any special inspection/testing/NDT requirements to be followed for these materials.

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Re: Non ferrous material-ASME GRADE

09/28/2011 10:23 AM

If we do all the work for you, what will you do?

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09/28/2011 10:52 AM

This question is much more difficult than my question. GURU is supposed to and must guide the followers like us!

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09/28/2011 11:03 AM

The fact is that these data are all available by putting the material description into an internet search engine. So, who is going to do it?

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09/28/2011 11:06 AM

"GURU is supposed to and must guide the followers like us!" That's a crock!

You're wanting someone to do the work for you. It won't be me.

Ask your material supplier! They are the ones who will make money on this. Let them do your job for you.

Have you ever used any of the materials web sites availaable to EVERYONE on the web?

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09/28/2011 11:10 AM

Old saying:

"Give a man a fish, he feeds for the day.

Teach a man to fish, he feeds for life."

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09/28/2011 12:02 PM

Incoloy 825 is not non-ferrous, it has substantial iron in it.

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09/28/2011 12:37 PM

After a brief search on google:

Incoloy 825 equivalent ASME grade is SB424(for pipe)...Now pls refer ASME SEC II-B , which is the applicable code for Non ferrous materials.(ASME SEC II-A is for ferrous materials)

Kindly clarify why this material is included in non ferrous materials code even though it has subtantial iron in it?

(Reference: ASME SEC II, part-B, 2007 edition, page-567)

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09/28/2011 12:47 PM

A man in EIL or Technip asking this type of detail from out side is surprising, and the reply by a GURU is appropriate, if we work for you to arrange details, what you will do?

If you would have posed some technical difficulty then the forum would have worked out the solution with healthy discussion but just collecting data from this type of forum is dificult man !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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09/28/2011 12:47 PM

I was incorrect, it has about 22% iron, it has 38-46% nickel, so it is primarily a nickel alloy. inconels have no iron to speak of, incoloys do.

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09/28/2011 1:21 PM

625 is not an incoloy, it is an inconel. what determines is which element has the largest percentage. I had in the back of my mind that 825 had primarily iron as it's major ingredient, but I was incorrect, it has more nickel and chromium than iron. incoloys have large percentages of all three, inconels generally have very little iron.

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09/28/2011 2:31 PM

Not to mention that both Inconel and Incoloy are trade mark names owned by Special Metals- other companies make the same metal with different names.

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09/28/2011 10:42 PM

EIL is already supposed to know ALL of PetroChem in India

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09/29/2011 12:12 AM

• The equivalent to Inconel 625 is ASME SB443 "Specification for nickel-chromium molybdenum-columbium alloy (UNS N06625) and nickel-chromium-molybdenum-silicon alloy (UNS N06219) plate, sheet, and strip.

Incoloy 825 is a nickel-iron-chromium alloy with additions of molybdenum and copper. This nickel steel alloy's chemical composition is designed to provide exceptional resistance to many corrosive environments. The equivalent as per ASTM is per the attached table:

Pipe seamless ASTM B423 , Sheet/Plate B424, Bar B425, Forgings B564 and Fittings B366 & B564.

Link site: http://www.megamex.com/incoloy_825.html

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09/29/2011 10:21 AM

Now a lot of technical info is available, but the basic question which remains is that why they are called as non ferrous materials even though incoloy 825 has 22% iron and inconel has around 5%.

Is there any iron/chemical restriction to classify an alloy as non ferrous?

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09/29/2011 4:05 PM

I think Rorsarch in answer #11 has what you ask for.

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09/30/2011 12:53 PM

It do not have any reference but I think alloys which contains less then 50% iron as one of the constituents, falls under categary of non ferrous alloys.

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