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Standard for Choosing Whether Valve will be Fail Close/Open

10/16/2011 11:20 PM

good day sirs,

I would like to ask if there are any standard i could refer to when choosing whether a valve should be configured to fail open or fail closed?

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Re: standard for choosing whether valve will be fail close/open

10/16/2011 11:29 PM

Depends what the valve does.

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Re: standard for choosing whether valve will be fail close/open

10/16/2011 11:35 PM

It depends on your application, if it's a Nuke Core cooling valve, fail open, it's a toilet flapper valve, fail closed. What are you controlling anyhow? The application would dictate how you'd want the valve to fail, besides not wanting to fail in the first place.

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Re: standard for choosing whether valve will be fail close/open

10/17/2011 12:35 AM

There is no standard that removes responsibility or liability of an engineer to do their due diligence in designing a safe system. You want things to always fail safe. If your valve can harm people in an opened or closed failure then safety alternatives must be added to mitigate the hazard. Depending on the possible failure circumstance, mitigation can take the form of an automated evacuation warning, a second valve in series or parallel, a separate controlling system or a myriad of other system dependent safety protocols.

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Re: standard for choosing whether valve will be fail close/open

10/17/2011 1:32 AM

Depends on the process line demand . All it has consider is the Safety / Health / Environmental conditions for the People and the surroundings . Acccodingly a valve is selected for a FO or FC condition , but it has to be the FAIL SAFE condition for the situation.

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Re: standard for choosing whether valve will be fail close/open

10/17/2011 8:12 AM

There is a third possibility: fail in last position.

The HazOp Study will evaluate whether the correct selection has been made in each case.

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Re: Standard for Choosing Whether Valve will be Fail Close/Open

10/17/2011 1:03 PM

Wonder what happen to the AP with the OP? I'm just curious to know what they're trying to control?

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Re: Standard for Choosing Whether Valve will be Fail Close/Open

10/19/2011 12:43 PM

There is no specific standard, rather its and operational safety requirement.

Some valves need to fail ope, others closed, others last position and others do not matter.

The process / operations group defines this based on the fail safe mode of operation of the plant.

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