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Various Temperature Monitoring

11/09/2011 5:58 PM

Good day. Enjoy learning from this site as an HVAC Service and refrigeration service engineer.. I have to monitor and report Wood Fired outdoor furnace stack (chimney) temperature and supply return water temps. water temps range in the 150 to 205 degree f range. Id like to keep this real simple but reliable. with an economical wireless device reporting to a plc? or control panel that the user can view or go onlne with.

Alarm monitoring / for flow would also be desired because if a pump fails in the dead of winter freezing could occur.

Also considering other points to add like sump pump alarms atc.

Please advise if you have any thoughts or know of supplier, etc.

Best regards.

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Re: Various temperature Monitoring

11/09/2011 6:48 PM

Is it safe to assume that you've never done this before?

Give us some idea of what you really know how to do.

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11/09/2011 10:31 PM

What do I really know how to do?...mmm. I could not put my inquiry any more simple. I am looking for good advice on where to go for control monitoring/data logging of the following;

My professional experience is HVAC, refrigeration and Non Chemical water treatment. Not present day instrumentation. That is why I am here. My boiler project is a simple monitoring and data logging to help make them much more efficient.

Hot water temperature

Water flow under 15 gpm

Outdoor wood fired boiler over fire stack temperature

Outside air temperature and humidity.

I have thought about wireless transmitters reporting to a panel view of some sort.

So, I think this is a funny question that you feel that or assume that I have not done this before. I did not know that would have any bearing on joining up to this forum.

My control experience probably is from before you were born, so all I asked for was advice on new products being that I know what I need to monitor and the need for data will satisfy this.

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11/09/2011 11:16 PM

I think that Lyn was not questioning your experience in HVAC, refrigeration, non-chemical water treatment or your knowledge of any of the chemistry, physics and mechanics required to perform in these realms. (All of these are certainly complicated fields in their own rights.) I believe his question was how much experience do you have in instrumentation, electronics, networking, embedded processor or PLC programming, data logging, data archiving and lastly over all system engineering? You see we could recommend the advantages and speed of RISC processing in assembly language with interrupt triggered executions or the higher level programming languages of object oriented code or just the straight forward ladder logic programming capabilities.

As for your control experience, do you prefer your poles in the left or right hand plane? Maybe you prefer to do a Z or gamma transform instead of a LaPlace for your analysis. Remember that your eigen vectors will define the states of your matrix and if it can be controlled or even observed.

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11/10/2011 7:33 AM

Having some inkling of your experience would help to know how much tutoring you would need to complete the task before you.

We get people here who don't know beans about a subject asking us how to perform tasks they've never done before.

The form of your question, and the fact that you are not aware of any sources for the instruments you may need would lead any reasonable person to believe that you had never done this before.

That's all.

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11/09/2011 9:22 PM

I am having trouble, trying to say your name.

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11/09/2011 10:46 PM

It's a genus of six common (and maybe a few rare) Pacific salmon species--pronounced like "onkorinkus."

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11/09/2011 11:05 PM

Can you define your app more closely, perhaps in terms of analog/discrete inputs/outputs required?

So far I see (3) temperatures (analog) and a flow switch (discrete) as inputs. Not yet mentioned are any local control outputs, such as modulating a fire damper in response to the temperatures. (Or a buzzer that tells someone to load more wood.)

I'm not up to date on it, but I think there are Web-enabled PLCs and other microcontrollers that can be accessed from anywhere via cell phone and the like, including password security.

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11/10/2011 12:19 AM

Need more information:

  1. Do you have a PLC already?
  2. How far away are the return water measuring temps from where the PLC is (or where you would logically place one)? If it's not too far away, you may not want wireless communication.

Any more information you have would potentially be a help in assisting you further.

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Re: Various Temperature Monitoring

11/10/2011 7:09 AM

Most temperature controllers will do if fitted with comm outputs. The manufacture of which has software to monitor their devices from a PC. Now big problem is how do I tell you a supplier to go to get them as you have requested. If I don't know where in the world you are! There are plenty of suppliers online.

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