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Evaporation Rates at Jeddah (KSA) Location

11/14/2011 1:09 AM

Dear All,

I am new to this group and lucky enough to find this very useful website while browsing for Civil Engineering Forums on internet. I am a Civil Engineer working on a Power Plant project at Jeddah, KSA. My first task in this project is to design an Evaporation Pond for which i am searching on internet to get the evaporation rates at Jeddah location for last one month but i still could not find them. My client also do not have required information with them.

If anyone of you know or have the details on evaporation rates (daily/monthly basis) at Jeddah KSA location, then kindly provide me the contact details of that person or source. I would really appreciate your kind support and help in this regard.

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Re: Evaporation rates at Jeddah (KSA) Location

11/14/2011 1:28 AM

I don't know if this meteorological statistic is readily available for your location.

One possible surrogate for it might be insolation data; i.e., watts/m2 throughout a year, compared with latent heat of evaporation for water.

Another way to go is empirical: Lay out a pan of water and see how long it takes to evaporate.

A spray system will give faster evaporation than a static pond. You could experiment with this, too.

It will also depend on average relative humidity, which may vary considerably across the KSA. Jeddah may already have good local data, versus other locations.

Good luck in finding useful data.

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11/14/2011 10:48 PM

Rate of evaporation depends on the ambient wet bulb temperature. When the ambient air is dry evaporative cooling is faster.

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Re: Evaporation Rates at Jeddah (KSA) Location

11/14/2011 9:09 AM

If you go the route of measuring evaporative rates from a pan, do so with at least 3 pans. You should also use a portable 24/7 weather station with data recorder that measures the relative humidity, temperature and wind speeds as it may take several days for evaporation to occur significantly/measurable.....it all depends on the weather that is occurring at that specific time period. Also, remember that doing this only once and not over a long period of time only presents very limited data and should be considered only a "snap shot" that is of limited utility from a design perspective.

Check for data available from the nearest airport to see if they have constant weather data recording.....or find out if there is a nearby university or governmental (Saudi Arabia, correct?) agricultural department that can provide you with long-term weather data including evaporative rates over several years period of time.

HTH!!!

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11/14/2011 11:26 PM

GA CaptMouse, I fully agree with you that evaporation rate greatly depends on the relative humidity, ambient temperature and wind speeds. These three parameters are varying widely on daily as well as on seasonal basis. If these three parameters are available over several years period of time, but evaporation rate is not available then I suggest to try following method.

Take a large pan of area 1 sq.m with water of same quality and keep it on weighing platform. Arrange necessary instrumentation for measuring and on-line recording of weight, water temperature, ambient temperature, relative humidity and wind speed. Analyse the collected data after few days to check how these parameters affect evaporation rate. Now with the available long time data for these parameters extrapolate the evaporation rate.

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11/14/2011 11:12 PM

Thank you so much for all your kind guidance and help. As per the information i have received from my colleagues and other engineers, there is a set of meteorological data for all locations in saudi arabia available in which they give the approved and accepted information of evaporation rates, rainfall data, temperatures, wind speeds and directions etc which can be used for design of civil/structural elements/facilities. These data are published by the responsible government authorities on yearly basis.

If there's anyone who had previous working experience on projects in saudi arabia, then these data must be available with them. I am trying to contact with one of them as there are many ongoing and recently completed projects in saudi arabia.

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11/14/2011 11:27 PM

www.waterandclimatechange.eu/evaporation/average-monthly-1985-1

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11/15/2011 1:54 AM

That looked hopeful, but alas the link didn't work.

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11/15/2011 9:52 AM

I do not know, but have some suggestion of where to seek an answer.

Check websites for cooling tower manufacturers. Check for operating information on cooling towers. They might have information for calculating required water make up for operating cooling towers based on tower size, heat load, and climatic data.

One issue that may come up during plant operation is pond water quality. As the pond evaporates for cooling, the water quality will diminish due to concentration of dissolved solids and other contaminants. Keep this in mind for corrosion and scaling problems with plant equipment.

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11/15/2011 10:10 AM

This may help

http://www.kau.edu.sa/Files/320/Researches/48196_19423.pdf

Also look up evaporation rates of water in saudi arabia.

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11/15/2011 5:41 PM

Sorry about that! Try this: www.waterandclimatechange.eu

After you get the web site click on evaporation rates.

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11/15/2011 5:57 PM

Interesting, but this depends largely on the availability of water to be evaporated, hence a low evaporation rate in the Sahara. The rate should be quite a bit higher if lots of water could be pumped there.

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11/15/2011 11:23 PM

The other issue is that this pond is associated with a power plant, so presumably the water is heated above ambient temperature and should have a higher than average evaporation rate.

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11/16/2011 1:43 AM

While doing an evaporative or spray pond, you could trick it out in "dancing waters" fashion with movable fountain nozzles and laser effects. Add music and food service, and you could have a revenue-generating entertainment attraction. Hafla time!

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Re: Evaporation Rates at Jeddah (KSA) Location

01/22/2020 8:29 AM

Here is some current research that may answer this for future readers.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303436020_Analysis_of_Potential_of_Evapotranspiration_in_different_Cities_of_Saudi_Arabia

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