Magnetic Flux Energy

If your "invention" should work ONLY with magnets and no apport energy then better use your time ans skills in other directions.

Make it work then figure out the mathematics behind it the world will be much further ahead if you can just get the first part done!

The disc will rotate until it gets to the point where opposite poles are adjacent.
It will then need energy put in to realign the magnets. The energy out will never be more than the energy put in.
Even if you use electromagnets the same applies.
Del

Brilliant! Each repulsion would be cancelled out by an attraction of a different set of encabulators magnets.

Now, if you can orient the magnets so that the earth's gravitational forces add just enough energy to keep the magnets "falling" the resistance to rotational gravulation can be overcome, thereby allowing the total output energy to exceed the energy input.

Air bearings will complete the system. The air to run the bearings is generated by special fans hooked to the motor output shafts running into accumulators to store excess air. Said air will come in handy around the shop, too.

Oh Lyn, must you be so sarcastic? ... Well, that was pretty funny.

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Wc2matthews: To put it simply, there is no combination, nor orientation of magnets (permanent or electro) that will achieve sustained motion without energy input. Also, energy output will also never equal or exceed energy input. This has been proven physically and theoretically many, many times.

I always recommend inventors spend time at The Museum of Unworkable Devices.

Also see:

Newton's Laws of motion

Conservation of momentum, energy, and angular momentum

Cynical, too.

I see some of my best ideas here: The Museum of Unworkable Devices.

Ok well noted thank you all. okay lets revise a little I hear perpetual motion, maybe? does that not apply to a devise that require no energy to work? what about the flux of the magnet is that not energy? another question. lets say we were able to time each disc so that the first pushed off then second, then third then first again. sort of like a gas engine. would it have a chance then?

No.

"what about the flux of the magnet is that not energy?"

No.

You didn't bother looking at any of my links, obviously.

No.

Yes I looked at the web site of inventions that would not work so please dont get short with me, this has been a prodject that ive looked into for quite awhile although you might think it to be a waste of time, understandable. the motors the web site show I.E. the ones with horseshoe magnets and sliding magnets make sence and it is easy to see why they would not work but, and I say but, I have seen the utube video's of said magnet motor that claim to work, that is why since I discoved the forume here I would pic the brains of those that had the education I lacked. thank you all again for waisting your time on my redundant question. I only wanted to hope for a bit that there might be although miniscule a way this motor might work. think about this it would sure be the answer to alot problems but I relize if it was someone else would have thought it up already. thank you again.

Try not to take it personally, the group as a whole has had one too many perpetual motion discussions.

Now if you want an explanation of why it won't work, I'm sure someone can provide you a link, or you could search (high and right) for previous discussions.

Also search for 'over unity', meaning more energy coming out than going in.

And welcome, on other subjects we are actually quite nice.

Thanks you

Oh yeah, avoid discussions of bathtubs and a bushy tailed fellow named Kris

"... but, I have seen the utube video's of said magnet motor that claim to work, ..."

YouTube is a horrible source for RELIABLE information. Every "magnetic motor" on YouTube is fake. Every Last One.

Let me clarify that. While some people purposely build fakes or manipulate the video to fool viewers, many inventors post videos that they believe show a functioning "magnetic motor". Any indication of the rotor slowing down is often cast aside with, "I just have to get better bearings", or some other excuse.

Granted, you can find a few really well engineered devices that can make even experienced engineers pause, but in the final analysis, "magnetic motors" can't work.

You would do well to read this: Reliance - Basic Motor Theory

Never, ever trust anything that you see on YouTube to be real and truthful.

Yes there is energy stored in the magnetic flux, but...
Like the energy in a brick 2 foot off the ground, it is potential energy...
E.G energy due to it's position relative to the fields around it... in the case of the brick, the gravitational field.
Once the brick has fallen and given up this energy you can't use it again without lifting the brick back up to it's original position.
Self evidently it takes as much energy to lift the brick back up as you get back when it drops.
Del