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Urgent Help on Brushless DC Drive

12/14/2011 9:02 PM

I have an urgent query and seek experts help. I have a 75 HP Brushless DC motor with POWERTEC drive controlling it. This drive has a torque control board. There are three signals that this drive works with: Speed Signal, Torque Direction & Motor Direction. The SPEED SIGNAL is simple 0 to 10V DC based on user setting. We are unable to understand the other two parameters since host PLC has failed and is not working. Can we run this drive WITHOUT the other two signals or how to run this drive externally? That way I would want to retrofit with a new PLC.Or, even better, can someone suggest a new or another drive for this motor which I can purchase, and get going? APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.....

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Re: Urgent Help on Brushless DC Drive

12/15/2011 12:35 AM

Always not enough information.

What are the model numbers of the drive, the motor, and the PLC you are interfacing with?

Have you RTFMs*?

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12/15/2011 4:51 AM

Gash. I wish I have the RTFMs...... but unfortunately no..... The motor is rated for 640 DC and continuous duty with running RMS AMPS of 149. It is driven by a drive that accepts TORQUE command which is where I am stuck. We are planning to interface to OMRON or SIEMENS PLC based on who gives better offer.

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12/15/2011 10:09 AM

Found this, don't know if it applies...

http://www.clusterresources.com/torquedocs/

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Re: Urgent Help on Brushless DC Drive

12/15/2011 4:49 AM

Thanks for this URL, but unfortunately this downloads documentation only for new motors whereas the motor I have belong to 1997 range. It's Brushless DC 75 HP rated for maximum 640 V DC with peak current of 400 AMPS.

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12/15/2011 3:23 PM

Hello:

Don't worry about the direction input, use a toggle switch coming from the PLC output module's common to change it as needed.

The drive's got to have an internal power supply of 10VDC for your analog inputs (speed and torque) use two 5Kohm pots this way:

Once you're done with connections, make sure no damage can occur due to wrong rotation or dettach the motor shaft coupler, then enable your drive and, starting from zero, apply an increasing small voltage to your speed input (about 1/4 turn). if the motor doesn't move increase the torque potentiometer 'till it does.

Now that you have your drive running AND in the the right direction, attach the shaft to the load and tweak both pots 'til you achieve the desired RPMs AND exactly the 149 Amps that you mentioned, that will save you the tunning.

I hope it helps

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12/15/2011 8:17 PM

Thanks for some discrete information that you provided. Let me check and revert. Now, why do you say not to worry about MOTOR DIRECTION signal point?

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12/15/2011 8:19 PM

And, OBW the drive does not specifically have any FOR / REV input point. I guess MOTOR DIRECTION input point is the one which commands motor to rotate in CW or CCW direction.

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12/16/2011 1:18 PM

I said not worry about motor direction input because it is the easiest to figure.

And you seem to have found the rotation select input, every manufacturer names it in diferent ways; it can be a two point set of inputs i.e. FWD and REV or CW and CCW, it can be a single input i.e. CW/CCW, FW/REV or can be a bypolar analog input, in which the polarity of the command signal determines the rotation, but this last one is not your application, since you said that the speed signal is simple 0 to 10VDC.

Does your application require rotation reversing or not ?

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12/16/2011 8:46 PM

Basically, I did some analysis of inputs you mentioned but they are different. First of all, there is no separate source that they use to regulate either torque or speed command. The speed command problem was solved by connecting an external 10V source through 5K POT and it seemed to work well. But, the TORQUE COMMAND & MOTOR COMMAND terminals that exist on motor show +15V DC when NOT connected. Looks like the existing but FAULTY PLC takes this input and "sinks" it at a frequency that defines motor torque. Unable to comprehend. All I want to know is HOW the motor torque can be controlled IF THIS INPUT DOES NOT EXIST.

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12/17/2011 5:35 AM

Some manufacturers use an inverse system - is there a ground or zero volt terminal to use as the common 'low'? The wiring would appear just as drawing above, but the current would be flowing in the opposite direction.

Some also use a "centre zero" on speed control, so 5V would give no rotation, zero would turn one way, and 10V the other.

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Re: Urgent Help on Brushless DC Drive

12/15/2011 11:36 PM

even with the help of speed you can control the motor . a single encoder with the feeder CT we can control the speed of the motor .

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12/16/2011 6:08 AM

75 HP is a high rating for BLDC.It will be better to contact the manufacturer and take his help

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12/16/2011 8:42 PM

I wish I had the support from manufacturer but unfortunately it's a big NO. They have stopped manufacturing these drives long back and hence does not seem to know anything of it. Or, I would say they may have some data in their archives but are not willing to part with it. Motor was manufactured in 1997. So.....

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