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Motor Running Than Rating Speed

12/28/2011 10:19 PM

we have induction motor mention in the name plate 2990 rpm 50 hz 690v 250 kwatt controlled by vfd .and vfd giving command the motor to 3500 rpm.

it is not dangerous for the motor?

plz help me

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Re: motor running than rating speed

12/28/2011 10:50 PM

Please check ur vfd scaling factor.for example 0-10v volt is the control signal to drive then the scaling factor should be 0v-0 rpm & 10v - 2990 rpm. may be you scaled like this 0v-0rpm & 10v-3500rpm.

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12/28/2011 11:25 PM

Thanks for ur reply mr.chandru but for the control side it is no problem, 3500 RPM is process requirement. as per process design we must run this motor with 3500 RPM when the load is maximum(blower/fan)

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Re: motor running than rating speed

12/28/2011 11:23 PM

First you see your vfd manual. Then only you can desired that how much speed it can control upto that rated speed or above rated speed.. If it can control above rated speed, you can control your motor speed by adjusting the set value in that ac drive..

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Re: motor running than rating speed

12/29/2011 12:23 AM

The answer may be specific to the motor manufacturer; it would be best to ask them.

If the motor is capable of operation at the higher frequency (and presumably proportional voltage of 828), it should be able to produce 300kw. However, the power consumed by a fan varies as the cube of its speed, so the fan will need (1.2)3 = 1.728 times as much power at the higher speed.

We don't know if the fan was selected with these considerations in mind.

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12/29/2011 3:17 AM

Anybody having experience working or dealing with motor running with RPM higher than rated rpm on the name plate?because it's under comissioning and we doubt for company acceptance wether it will be effecting motor's life time.

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12/29/2011 4:15 AM

Please continue to investigate the items in post 4, which have not yet been answered.

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Re: Motor Running Than Rating Speed

12/29/2011 11:36 AM

If you don't pay heed to Tornado's post #4, you are likely doomed to failure. The motor speed itself is, as he says, a question for the motor mfr because it has to do with the bearings they used and the motor cooling system. Nobody else can answer that question for you.

But your line of questioning is like asking about the dinner menu on the Titanic when you should be asking about the number of lifeboats. When you over speed a centrifugal fan or blower, the power REQUIREMENT from the load increases at the cube of the speed increase. But a motor power output is fixed by the available V/Hz ratio. So if you have increased the Hz but have not increased the V, because you got to maximum V at the design speed of 50Hz, then your motor kW has not changed and you have LOST torque, just at the time when you need it most. If your system was designed with this in mind, then it may be OK, but there are a lot of ignorant people out there who think they can just turn up the speed on a fan and get more flow, they end up with failed applications or damaged equipment. Start asking questions of your vendor there.

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12/30/2011 6:41 AM

Give motor nameplate parameters to the drive, it knows how to operate safely.

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