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Plastic to Oil

01/01/2012 4:19 PM

I have seen a Japanese invention that converts any plastic back to usable oil. How cost effective is it compared to refining regular oil? it was a small table model I'm sure it could be made using huge tanks to melt the plastic.

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01/01/2012 5:18 PM

With heat and pressure you can turn any organic material into oil ( Fischer Tropsch ) conversion, it's not a new concept...The process has gained popularity recently as have other alternative oil producing technologies( algae to biofuel ), and these processes are being constantly tweaked to find an economically feasible method of fuel production, or perhaps feedstock for products now derived from crude oil....The company you're speaking of Blest offers several models of table top conversion machines that it claims will convert one kilogram of plastic to almost one liter of oil. To convert that amount takes about 1 kwh of electricity, which is approximately ¥20 or 20 cents' worth. It takes about an hour....see pic...whether it's economically feasible is debatable...

http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/plastic-to-oil-fantastic/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy07osti/37779.pdf

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Re: plastic to oil

01/02/2012 11:19 AM

This is interesting but I would not do this in my house or garage. The vapors escaping are probably bad for you. There is certainly a high risk of fire when you heat up combustible fuel.

Anybody using these process should do it outside and away from buildings and stock pile of raw material. Plastic fires are extremely dangerous as they produce noxious /toxic fumes and are difficult to put out.

Play safe!

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01/02/2012 12:24 PM

Recent news clips...

"Global Biofuels Limited, the first Biofuel Refinery in Nigeria, in collaboration with its financial advisors has concluded arrangements for the implementation of a Clean Development Mechanism (CDM) project titled, Grow Your Energy (GYE). Upon completion, the project would generate 30mega watts (WM) of electric power from biomass co-generation ancillary.

This is in addition to producing 240KLDP fuel grade ethanol, lots of grain and 5,000 head of cattle per annum. It will also remove millions of tons of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere and thus become a veritable tool for climate change mitigation in Nigeria ."

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"Nigeria, Africa's top oil producer, signed a memorandum of understanding with Global Biofuels Ltd. to build 15 integrated biofuel plants for about 414 billion naira ($2.55 billion), the Trade and Investment Ministry said.

Global Biofuels will start "the implementation of an agro- based industrial activity for the production of ethanol, biomass electric power and food, all from a single industrial complex, using sweet sorghum as raw materials," Olusegun Aganga, Trade and Investment minister, said in an e-mailed statement.

Work on a pilot plant in the southwestern Ekiti State will start in the first quarter and is expected to be completed within 12 months, while 14 additional plants will be established in 14 other states after the pilot project is finished, he said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-02/nigeria-global-biofuels-sign-414-billion-naira-accord.html

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/biofuels-to-generate-30mw-of-electricity/

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Re: plastic to oil

01/02/2012 11:58 PM

Life is like riding a unicycle. No wonder I'm in trouble!

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01/02/2012 5:18 PM

I see it more of an environment plastic clean up, recovered oil is almost diesel quality oil. Some islands receive tons of big and small plastic containers that winds up in the ocean. Between Hawaii and west coast floats a plastic island as big as Texas. No oil co. is applying for a patent to clean it up.

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01/02/2012 9:09 PM

Why would the oil companies be responsible for cleaning up discarded plastic bottles from the East.?? If it was a profitable undertaking someone would already be doing it...no need for patents, thermal depolymerization is available to all...This company in Japan has just miniaturized the process into a toy...

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01/02/2012 9:27 PM

The "Almost Diesel" has to be sold to consumers.

And big brother Oil Companies run all Gas Stations

Will they sell the "Almost Diesel"?

I meant that.

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01/01/2012 10:36 PM

Oil Companies will stop this getting developed/accepted.

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01/01/2012 11:02 PM

How will they "stop" you developing it if you wish to?

How will they "stop" me accepting it if I wish to?

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01/01/2012 11:41 PM

GA. However, it would still be possible for oil interests to buy up relevant patents and "spike" them.

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01/02/2012 10:06 AM

I see no sense in this either. All large oil companies refine crude into final products, which they sell. Oil companies' goal is to obtain feedstock (crude oil) at the cheapest price. If this process produced oil at a lower price than it costs to pump it out of the ground, why would they try to stop it?

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01/02/2012 1:48 AM

There are many companies that exist now, and have for many years that use gas to liquid and coal to liquid technologies to produce fuel...In places where little oil is available, natural gas wells too far(stranded wells) away to utilize pipelines or LNG technology for instance....Sasol is one such company in South Africa, a country with large coal reserves but little oil. Sasol uses coal and now natural gas as feedstocks and produces a variety of synthetic petroleum products, including most of the country's diesel fuel...PetroSA, a South African company which, in a joint venture, won project innovation of the year award at the Petroleum Economist Awards in 2008, has the world's largest Gas to Liquids complexes at Mossel Bay in South Africa. The refinery is a 36,000 barrels a day plant that completed semi-commercial demonstration in 2011 paving the way to begin commercial preparation. The technology can be used to convert natural gas, biomass or coal into synthetic fuels.... in Bintulu, Malaysia a Shell facility converts natural gas into low-sulfur diesel fuels and food-grade wax. The scale is 12,000 barrels per day ..... at Ras Laffan, Qatar uses cobalt catalysts at 230 °C, converting natural gas to petroleum liquids at a rate of 140,000 barrels per day (22,000 m3/d), with additional production of 120,000 barrels (19,000 m3) of oil equivalent in natural gas liquids and ethane. The first GTL(gas to liquid) plant in Ras Laffan was commissioned in 2007 and is called Oryx GTL and has a capacity of 34 000 bbl/day. The plant utilizes the Sasol slurry phase distillate process which uses a cobalt catalyst. Oryx GTL is a joint venture between Qatar Petroleum and Sasol...In October 2006, Finnish paper and pulp manufacturer UPM announced its plans to produce biodiesel by the Fischer-Tropsch process alongside the manufacturing processes at its European paper and pulp plants, using waste biomass resulting from paper and pulp manufacturing processes as source material....I could go on and on, the point being, nobody is stopping this technology, it just takes time to implement...and is only implemented where it is economically advantageous...

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Re: Plastic to Oil

01/02/2012 12:14 AM

Sir,

It was an informaion unbelievable.If it works I dont know what will be in the

lime light.Savings from producing oil or saving the earth from pollution.Eager to hear

further.

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Re: Plastic to Oil

01/02/2012 12:44 AM

During the process will there be any poisonous/greenhouse gases released?.

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