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Fiber Optic Resistant Lab Coats

01/24/2012 7:53 AM

We are getting complaints from operators working with Fiber optics. They get home and have small pieces of fiber sticking through cloths and stabbing them. Tried Tyvek lab coats but they say the fibers pass through.I don't believe this, i think the fibers are getting in at neck line. Anybody have this problem?

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01/24/2012 8:29 AM

I'd tend to believe them. Fibers can have some unusual properties and small pieces can work their way into some odd places. Are the workers wearing masks? If small glass fibers are getting into their clothing, I'd be concerned about silicosis, too. At least I'd do more investigations instead of simply denying the problem.

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01/24/2012 9:31 AM

Has anybody from management worn these lab coats and worked on the line?

If so, what were their comments?

Are all of the operators complaining? just 1 or 2? most?

Has anybody checked the lab coats before the operators went home?

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01/24/2012 9:46 AM

My uninformed OPINION is that the fibers are not penetrating the Tyvek material.

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01/24/2012 9:53 AM

If these fibers look anything like the ones I experienced while working in a fiberglass plant..............you bet they will poke through the cloth. They get in everything!

If they are getting in at the neck line, it probably means they are floating and being breathed..................not good. You may want to consider a vacuum system fitted with HEPA filters, directly over the line................or possibly wetting the material.

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01/24/2012 10:44 AM

I doubt that the fibers are getting through the Tyvek, too. Something in how your workers utilize their issued Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) is wrong. This might be because they take short cuts to meet the production demands, or it might be because of some workers simple laziness or lack of care. (Remember an unsafe worker puts at risk everyone around them.) It maybe because you have insufficient or incorrect PPE for the type of work you're doing with optical fibers.

What you have right now is a mystery in how these fiber optic shards are getting past your PPE. Possibly the climate of the Dominican Republic is too hot for people to wear constantly. When they take the Tyvek coats off, to cool down, shards are getting inside the coats. When the coats are worn again the shards get driven into the street clothes underneath. Possibly in your cutting or cleaving process you're workers do not have the proper tools to control the cut fiber remains.

Examine some coats to see if holes are present in the material. Examine the inner and outer surfaces of a used coat to see if fibers are present. Examine your operation methods not just for the quality of your end product, but for hazardous material (fiber shards) production and control procedures. Examine how well your staff comply with these procedures and if the procedures are suitable for your operations environment.

Good Luck, you have a tricky problem to solve.

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01/24/2012 11:24 AM

It sounds as though the operation has a waste material containment problem. Stop the cause of the problem, not the symptoms. Then, personal protective equipment would be unneccessary. What happens to the fibres that the operatives breathe in (rhetorical question)?

So, how about a suction line near where the fibres are produced and a cyclone or a filter to catch these fibres?

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01/24/2012 11:59 AM

Oooooh! And what does it say in the local Risk Assessment document?

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01/24/2012 11:39 AM

The fibers are sticking to the tyvek, and when they take the tyvek coats off, there is a little cloud of tiny bits of fibre glass. These settle on the street clothes.

I solved my fume problem with a down draught table, which also worked really well for grinding swarf. There are many companies who make them, so please do not think that this link is an endorsement in any way. In fact, I actually made my own, I AM a metal worker after all.

I used a piece of knit fabric as the surface filter, and vented it outside. Cheap solution to a potentially dangerous problem.

This would not work, of course, in a shop which would use fiberglass chop to make fiberglass bodies for, say, boats. But for bench work there is nothing better. (Soldering electrical components became a joy instead of a smokey teary experience.)

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01/24/2012 10:59 PM

redfred is on the money...I think the others are thinking the fibers as dust - it is not. The OP referred to fiber optic cable. Correct me if I'm wrong... what is happening is that the workers are cleaving the optic fiber for either splicing, fusing or terminating to connectors. Cleaving is required to get a perpendicular cut on the fiber end which leaves about 15 to 20mm of glass fiber end as waste.

The first and foremost procedure we have at our workplace is that the workbench is clean before the work starts. If the bench is not free from fiber, they are not to start anything. Our policy is that the person that used the bench last is to ensure the work area is clean when they finish - even if its the same worker starting the next day - clear the bench at the end of the day/job/task. That way no 'left-over' fiber will contaminate the next workload.

The next logical question to ask is where are the workers supposed to dispose of the 'off-cuts' in the first place? We provide a sharps bin (yes like the ones that needle users supposed to use) to empty the small cleaver. Then dispose of it accordingly (incineration).

I would recommend a static mat or bench that will 'attract' the fiber off-cuts when they fall of the cleaver. Whatever you do, take it seriously. Loose fiber is dangerous and you should surely know that it is a danger waiting to happen. And it could be you getting the glass fiber stuck into your skin when the workers are walking around.

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01/25/2012 1:38 AM

You should also check that the coats are being correctly worn at all times in the working area.

We found that workers in a 'hot' (radiation wise) room, when wearing coveralls of Tyvek or Cambrelle would unzip because they became uncomfortably hot (temperature-wise), especially with Cambrelle.

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01/25/2012 2:54 AM

If the fibres are an irritant to the skin, then as has been said the effects on the repertory system is a considerable worry.

Take air samples to determine the burden of the air contamination inhaled by your work force.

Several multi-national companies have been crippled by lawsuits as a result of negligence 30+ years in the past. You're heading the same way if you think blaming the workforce for whinging about the provided PPE.

The problem needs tackling at the source.

Silicosis followed by pneumoconiosis is a horrible way to die, I watched my uncle go through the agony of it!

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01/25/2012 4:14 AM

Early Australian Telecom PPE......



...was very effective at preventing sharp penetration.

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01/25/2012 7:10 AM

Thanks all!

Checked the coats,no holes. Looks like a combination of things that we need to evaluate. I will post the results. All good answers! Redfred is on the money. Please don't think I'm blaming the operators but the open neck line is an easy target and about the right angle when cutting.

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01/25/2012 8:42 AM

Keep the room at 10C. They will keep their lab coats buttoned up...

Joke apart, if the room is at 35C, I understand that thy want to open up the neck line of the lab coat. People don't like to suffer. Make it natural for them to to want to keep the coat on properly.

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01/25/2012 1:01 PM

I used to terminate Fiber Optic cable. The way I cleave the protruding piece prior to polishing is to hold the waste fiber between my thumb and forefinger as I cleave it and then transfer it to some inside out wrapped electrical tape. Once stuck to the tape you can see it very clearly. When the tape is full you just throw it in the trash.

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Re: Fiber Optic Resistant Lab Coats

01/30/2012 8:47 AM

Believe it, I get some through the bottom of my shoes sometimes. I work in a plant that makes the fiber.

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01/31/2012 8:49 AM

Thanks all,

Trying new Tyvek lab coats, Engineering is looking at the process and the Safety committee has it for the next meeting.

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