What's the relationship between time and rotation?

Yeah. It's the great big blue key just north of my keyboard (and just north of this text as I type). Funny, it seems to be in two places at once.

Thanks for pointing it out! º

John

After 2 days of intense discussions, it is the moment to define to which school you belong to:

1. the Rotational

2. the Non Rotational (also called "abstract")

3. the Religious

Once we know how many members each group has, we will be able to define the direction of this discussion.

By the way, no matter the result, # 2 is the only valid one!

" and God created the light and the dark, and the heavens and the earth" indicates that time existed prior to the creation of the universe as we know it. That's from the religious (#3) aspect.

Life's first observations of time were against the rotational effect producing days and years. The Earths great extinctions mark our 400,000 year circle of the milky way.

Sand clocks, water clocks, mechanical clocks. They were all trying to represent our rotational elements in a system we could sense some control.

Now, our atomic clocks have developed to the point that the units of time we have carried over since life first appeared on this earth, are no longer tied to any remaining rotational measure. I believe that a "standard day" was chosen in the 50's about which atomic clocks were calibrated. Days have lengthened measurably since that "day", so we have to add leap seconds at more and more frequent intervals to maintain a correlation to the current day. Only to suit our feeble minds. When we become free of this earth, we will have to stop correcting our time/day, because Pioneers and Voyagers can no longer even find the sun without a homing signal from Earth. Their time demonstrates the relativistic effects of their speed.

While we are earth-bound, times history of its rotational base will always raise it's head. When we can shed those ties, then time will be finally freed from our concept of rotational control.

I'm pretty sure I fit #2, but I am aware of the ties of society to 1 and 3, what most of the world would consider REAL time.

RichH

#3 Can't be right because I am God and I don't believe in myself...

On the other hand, I would like to add a slightly different perspective on the question. There are many cultures that do not recognise the rotation of any thing. These cultures tend to think of life as being linear and cyclical, and that's fundamentally different from rotation. The cosmic snake, the perpetual dragon, the long-body of the Navajo. Time, life, and existence is the rolling out of a perpetual scroll, without beginning and without end. So what if the story repeats itself from time-to-time? This does not lead directly to the concept of rotation.

That seems to come much later to a number of cultures when they begin to start trying to navigate or watch the heavens for spiritual reasons, etc. My point is there's a major mental leap involved from cyclical to rotary.

You can track two types of time. One is the celestial time that you speak of and one is our true time based on the speed of light.

Our true existence is based on the speed of light (the base time). Gravity and Magnetism have no time they are instantaneous. When you use gravity to travel you can exceed the speed of light.

When you use gravity to travel you can exceed the speed of light.

And from which episode of Star Trek did you learn this?

Vermin,

I asked Shatner about this and he said the mechanism is Warp Drive MKIII scheduled to be included on future Priceline.com/flights.

(he said it will probably use gravitons in some form or other, but he deferred when I asked about magetism).

John

Probably because when gravitation is involved in flight, it means you're traveling really, really fast toward the ground.

In this nano second of ETERNITY since the universe was created or evolved we humans have learned to use times of rotation of the planets as a basis for our definition of time.

When this universe is destroyed or self destructs there will be no need or purpose for time as we will back to ETERNITY to see what or if there will be another event like the one we are presently experiencing.

The human soul will remain.

Rev.s / Time - Nough said?

If I remember correctly, Time is rotation's third-cousin on its mother's side.

Does time really pass for santa clause? Except on Christmas eve?

In other words, instead of aging from head to feet, and dying from feet to head; does he age and die from left to right to left to...? Up on that there pole?

Time, even just as a concept, is a continuum.

On a 'continuum', a scale is needed to attract our attention, in a manner suitable for our typical attention-span.

The Clock, is a multi-level scale. It's basic attention-grabber is a second, the time it takes for something to drop from a typical human height. From there you can extrapolate on a typical hour, day, year, and their multiplication ratio or something.

A car blinker is a danger-alert attention-grabber, so it's typical time is about fourth of a second, which is about the average human reaction-time including that of the car's.

Tenth of a second, is the typical reaction time of mammals, and a hundredth is that of insects.

Not definitely and precisely, but just about

Are we going to revive this thread? I like it.

But how much rotation is involved when we drop from a typical human height? I once did a full gainer before I hit (fortunately water). I was younger then.

Who knows, I'm half-asleep. Not very reliable on my part. I've been awake for some twenty hours by now, so...