Previous in Forum: Fuel Consumption to generate 1kwh?   Next in Forum: Welded relay contacts
Close
Close
Close
5 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 11

XFMR Differential Picks Up on Motor Start

05/10/2007 7:10 AM

On my project the XFMR differential relay on my main transformer picked up with after sensing >40% phase current of one phase over the other two.

The motor in question is small used to drive a blower on one of our boiler skids.

No motor overloads or fusing opened the motor circuit.

The event happened during a motor bump and phase swap. The sequence of events were as follows:

Bump motor, 30 sec run, rotation needs to be changed.

Swap phases A and C.

Bump motor attempted, XFMR differential pick-up, dropped MCC bus.

I am thinking it is a short in the motor winding. Any suggestions?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Philippines - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - Who am I?

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Northern Mindanao, Philippines
Posts: 2147
Good Answers: 53
#1

Re: XFMR Differential Picks Up on Motor Start

05/10/2007 8:36 AM

Sorry for being blunt but had I been your boss, I would have berated you for not testing or verifying your suspicions before asking for help. If you had doubts about the motor, why haven't you checked it?

__________________
Miscommunication: when what people heard you say differs from what you said. Make yourself understood.
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 11
#2
In reply to #1

Re: XFMR Differential Picks Up on Motor Start

05/10/2007 9:00 AM

The motor was meggered prior to starting. I meggered again after problem but can't see any problems with insulation.

I can't find a short but can't think of another reason for this to happen, which is why I asked the question in this forum.

Don't bother posting to this thread if all you have to comment on is what my boss would do. If you have nothing constructive to add you are providing nothing useful to me. If I was your boss I would berate you for wasting time.

Register to Reply
Guru
Philippines - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - Who am I?

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Northern Mindanao, Philippines
Posts: 2147
Good Answers: 53
#4
In reply to #2

Re: XFMR Differential Picks Up on Motor Start

05/10/2007 9:24 AM

I am thinking it is a short in the motor winding. Any suggestions?

Your words. You didn't mention that you've already checked it. You just said you think it's shorted. Sorry for the mistake but you didn't make yourself clear.

If the megger says it's okay, try checking the winding resistances. Are they balanced?

Check if your voltages are balanced.

Try replacing the differential relay.

Check the wiring of the diff. relay (is it correct) as well as the peripherals.

__________________
Miscommunication: when what people heard you say differs from what you said. Make yourself understood.
Register to Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 962
#3

Re: XFMR Differential Picks Up on Motor Start

05/10/2007 9:14 AM

Please clarify (motor bump) why did you have to swap the phase over? Motor reversed? Is this a single phase motor brushed or inductive? Small define in Watts. I know I ask a lot of questions but to give good advice one needs to know the details.

__________________
There's them that knows and them that just thinks they know, whitch are you? Stir the pot and see what rises up. I have catalytic properties I get a reaction going.
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 11
#5

Re: XFMR Differential Picks Up on Motor Start

05/10/2007 1:54 PM

I believe I have gotten to the bottom of the problem.

The instantaneous differential setting based on percentage current is picking up causing this nusance trip. I believe the problem is related to very low loading on the transformer (3% secondary loading). I have to wait until later tonight to continue testing but believe differential setting update will do the trick. Thanks all for input.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 5 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

BrainWave (1); jgunders (2); Vulcan (2)

Previous in Forum: Fuel Consumption to generate 1kwh?   Next in Forum: Welded relay contacts

Advertisement