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"Thermal Mass Flow" Usage

08/15/2012 4:28 PM

Hello, I'm looking for valuable suggestions and critique of a thought process.

Consider that you're sending a gas through a metal passageway at a certain temperature (T1, deg F) and flow (m1, kg/min). Consider also that this metallic enclosure has been validated in testing to a combination of high temperature close to material limit (Tlim) and high exhaust flow (m_lim) to ensure it doesn't crack for a certain number of hours.

Now consider this scenario - T1 approaches Tlim or exceeds it by a bit (T>Tlim) but flow is quite low (m1<<m_lim). How can we compare the impact of this flow and temperature to the combination of temperature and flow it was validated to?

I'm looking for a quick and rational, back-of-the-envelope approach.

I was thinking of introducing a factor, called "thermal mass flow" which I define as H = Temperature x Flow. Using this factor, I can say that the H value associated with the new scenario is not as high was what was validated in testing, hence the new combination of temperature and flow is not a concern from a thermal fatigue standpoint. Does this approach make sense and what are its pitfalls? Thanks a lot.

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Re: "Thermal Mass Flow" Usage

08/15/2012 11:33 PM

I do not believe that will work as your proposed factor barely addresses the physical effects of the gas and does not take into account any possible chemical reactions. Without knowing all of the details of the process you described (time duration of the high temperature, type of metal, specific gas, system pressure, type of corrosion/embrittlement being addressed, etc., etc.) it is not really possible to answer the question (and you may need a materials engineer to get that answer). As an example, you may only exceed the temperature by two degrees, but that temperature changes the properties of the gas and/or of the metal (and it is sometimes amazing what a couple of degrees do to some types of steel for example) and causes a reaction with the metal wall that shortens the metal's life considerably. Or it may cause a layer of "gunk" to form on the metal walls and your process is now contaminated.

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Re: "Thermal Mass Flow" Usage

08/16/2012 4:26 AM

I think there would be too much nonlinearity for this to work well.

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Re: "Thermal Mass Flow" Usage

08/18/2012 10:38 AM

I don't think the flow would have much to do with it, unless m1 gives a very high velocity. Much more important is the pressure at the 2 conditions, and you haven't mentioned that

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